From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1SDGFk-0006tC-PP for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:23:05 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E291E06AF; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A178E0509 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so2275160bkw.40 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 07:21:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Rl1vd6mCn3PEzclVUVyMpRdjEShmNJPuouYWdyNY37o=; b=KH2qeCgtasMxy89CkrUZn6q/GiBvYwW2qcTPROIInaw8jBMbkpe60j5sAfwK9KPktm pSVg2TDWLwII+5f3uTC0Cr+ZT26LUSnebe+4O4WMVdvsOC04DNaBR+xTXb48om1S4+uE wu6AQDFIvjySeUWOz+cT/MoTAU6OEfzeTm60LYDzvkPXXi0kvebVFY4OXOxZV9/APlf7 XqLaSNOY8Npdg3+Lw3gYk8UWa0hvHEdISbskctMvAZQ2utUalnvZ+3FX1ApCXGYpZvwd QC+LeRKp1jaVaSzw6zyElOkmC7I8i7cprkfvPN1ijy/9zvMRLyMBlcHtc4/l+vZtIinw rgBw== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.28 with SMTP id m28mr13899096bkw.102.1333030875407; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 07:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.164.76 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 07:21:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120329100248.24ecb03c@digimed.co.uk> References: <1332844604.4130.0@numa-i> <4F71BE44.3080206@kutulu.org> <4F71E865.30800@hadt.biz> <4F71F182.5010709@gmail.com> <4F7224B8.1050806@gmail.com> <4F723842.4000501@gmail.com> <20120328001421.7c65a401@khamul.example.com> <4F723FAA.9090205@gmail.com> <20120328004633.635b9c5c@khamul.example.com> <4F72522C.7070509@gmail.com> <20120328085855.18ecebaf@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <003601cd0d10$a9c63730$fd52a590$@kutulu.org> <20120329100248.24ecb03c@digimed.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 10:21:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] InitRAMFS - boot expert sought From: Michael Mol To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: ac12a327-41b2-467a-ba70-ad423696fcc0 X-Archives-Hash: ccb2dafd3218d571794ca8741d698dd0 On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:02 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:21:11 -0400, Michael Mol wrote: > >> There is so much BS being spewed around this topic, I'm genuinely >> disgusted. It's enough to lead me to suspect that Linux, as a >> platform, is *dying*. > > It's not dying, it's evolving - with the associated growing pains. Of > course, that's not to say it couldn't evolve the way of the dodo. The problem is the lack of engineering sense. > >> The "true UNIX way" is about KISS philosophy. Keep it Simple, Stupid. >> Keep things small, well-defined and modular. Break things into >> components, keep the components small and relatively well-defined. > > That, IMO, is the problem with the current filesystem layout. The split > between / and /usr is anything but well-defined. Putting things in > different boxes based on their function is good practice. Doing it based > on some arbitrary size limit on the box is not. Except that's not what people are doing. According to what I've read, that was the original rationale a couple decades ago, but that hasn't been the driving case for it for a long time, and pointing to it in a modern context is silly. These days, you put things on different mount points because you want different underlying characteristics either in the filesystem or its underlying block device. The gripe about the filesystem layout strikes me as a "it works, but it isn't clean or elegant" complaint. That means changing it is change for change's sake. And we're going to experience these growing pains tenfold as the consequences of that play out. If I was comfortable with *any* other platform as much as I've been with Gentoo these past couple years, I'd be jumping ship immediately. > > It makes me think of Ubuntu's insistence on fitting their installer on a > single CD, even if it means omitting useful software or having the > installer sneakily download components in the background. -- :wq