From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1RIlEE-0007ZW-VY for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:55:59 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0485021C05B; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f53.google.com (mail-bw0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A11721C030 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzv3 with SMTP id zv3so526788bkb.40 for ; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:54:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YF8IPPqebyRVmI0O51am4ptNX5Dok2e1MSSUngq81uI=; b=ml7j63ArUb1E+CUZ3G3TdaNRMcW5zDcg45UmH26JuypGBaVNORC9DHozvi8Cn6JWKs FsGxdYbbXFx9QkQELoMDzZme7pZ/cSWlFEOMaiisWhvPWIy6KKc04u4wV2zvgFocYNzd x91g8ZMnsUs7RmDRS130d8ZgE7K8W1dx+lmeo= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.131.66 with SMTP id w2mr14676780bks.49.1319565293556; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.37.16 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:54:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1319460789.4336.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <60153291.134fc.13335ed4fc6.Coremail.lavender_matrix@163.com> <1191cc81.13d0d.1333620b171.Coremail.lavender_matrix@163.com> <74b5913c.13385.1333682dc72.Coremail.lavender_matrix@163.com> <2bfc803.de87.1333bb31157.Coremail.lavender_matrix@163.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:54:53 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Problem with sound card From: Michael Mol To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 23cef1be512f7a02cd0bc581cfe6ce84 On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 10/25/2011 08:11 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Nikos Chantziaras >> =C2=A0wrote: >>> >>> On 10/25/2011 07:17 PM, Michael Mol wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Mark Knecht >>>> =C2=A0wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Paul Hartman >>>>>> >>>>>> Or that commercial linux sound driver package... I don't even rememb= er >>>>>> what it was called anymore. >>>>> >>>>> OSS I think - something like Open Sound System or some such other >>>>> crazy thing, being it was neither Open nor most of the time for me >>>>> produced Sound on my System. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> I think there is still support for it in the kernel. Go figure... >>>> >>>> It's only been deprecated for over a decade...I can only barely >>>> remember a time before ALSA was pulled into the mainline kernel. >>> >>> OSS is the standard sound system for Unix still to this day though. >>> Everybody uses it, except Linux. >>> >>> It's GPL by the way. =C2=A0I actually use it on my main PC ;-) =C2=A0On= supported >>> sound cards, it works much better than ALSA. =C2=A0Not the version in t= he >>> kernel, >>> of course, that one is deprecated. =C2=A0The newest version is v4 and i= s only >>> available out-of-kernel. >> >> I imagine that it's support for the cards it supported in that time >> period was probably better than ALSA. I came to Linux looking for a >> platform to replace Windows to support Avid's ProTools. As I soon >> learned that wasn't going to happen, at least not soon, and it hasn't >> changed in the 10-15 years I've been using Linux. However in those >> days my need for ALSA was driven by OSS not supporting any sound card >> hardware that was of interest to people recording music. ALSA was at >> least trying, and has gotten much better over the years with things >> like Jack and rt-sources which easily outperforms Windows in terms of >> latency. > > That's true. =C2=A0Though I judge by desktop needs on my machine. =C2=A0T= he lack of a > per-application volume mixer in ALSA is really frustrating. =C2=A0And if = you bark > about it, you're told to install PulseAudio, which is another can of worm= s > entirely :-/ =C2=A0I guess I'm gonna be using OSSv4 for as long as that o= ld > Soundblaster Live I have here refuses to die. Agreed; per-app volume controls are nice. The Linux-specific nature of ALSA isn't such a good thing. Though if ALSA implements an OSSv4 wrapper, that's not so bad. (Not that I think they're likely to; if the wrapper exposes more functionality than their core supports, it'll greatly complicate their architecture.) I also kinda miss being able to test audio with cat. I have a t-shirt somewhere which says "cat /boot/vmlinux > /dev/audio # The sound of Linux". That was my quote for my high school's Science Olympiad team T-shirt. Being able to record audio files using the reverse was also very convenient, as was testing microphone settings by dumping the device to the terminal. --=20 :wq