From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1R2QIb-00013g-4i for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:20:57 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5021D21C1B8; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f53.google.com (mail-bw0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9508121C209 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 16:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzt12 with SMTP id zt12so444476bkb.40 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:19:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CcvjbRpGMTYjq9FDjp5IaZyx5qu67RUGWQAf28ls9vI=; b=I3Z5otWBVlxj6ZWy/DJeAI0KLDTDkUNIPXlwo6qKuxc0MCidH22j3zysMvOGoOO4/T IV0F2cvGdijyvmIGtAcvmyCmAk2N0C4jPCX0TvXc+YDktCTZOpbWrFO0q7WlG8gxG+bw avwxTMabefG8OEjFAwq57+1pzzbvrCSOx0W/U= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.145.25 with SMTP id b25mr1933425bkv.50.1315671550583; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.155.79 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Sep 2011 09:19:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E6B8BB8.7040103@gmail.com> References: <201108191109.34984.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <20110910093659.2f2fdf58@rohan> <201109101124.15694.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <4E6B8BB8.7040103@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 12:19:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot From: Michael Mol To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: ce41b5a9e1cd366f784c327352893cf6 On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Dale wrote: > Mick wrote: > From my understanding, the dev is not listening. =C2=A0That is another th= ing that > bothers me. =C2=A0When devs stop listening to users, that causes a proble= m. > =C2=A0Remember hal? =C2=A0How many people complained early on about the c= onfig files? > =C2=A0Lots. =C2=A0I also don't like that a very few people or just one pe= rson can make > a decision like this that will have a negative affect on a LOT and I mean= a > LOT of users. =C2=A0That is something that needs to be dealt with. =C2=A0= What I would > like to see is this, a good stable alternative that works well with a pro= per > fix and for that to push udev out and render it null. =C2=A0I think that = would > serve the dev right. =C2=A0Listen to the people that use it or people wil= l use > something else. =C2=A0The mdev package comes to mind here. =C2=A0Maybe th= is will push > it to take udevs place. =C2=A0It seems there is enough people that oppose= s this. > =C2=A0If a few commercial and paying people can help, it may just be the = next > better thing. As I understand it, nothing of udev itself is in /usr, but instead packages and scripts which plug themselves into udev to be triggered by various events. Perhaps the real solution is to circumvent udev and get those other packages and scripts to not put hotplug-active files under /usr. --=20 :wq