From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA767138010 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F2DBE0329; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bk0-f53.google.com (mail-bk0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C775E0138 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2012 00:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkwj4 with SMTP id j4so1960640bkw.40 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:28:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=c3ihIUJG4U7DYdAm9K6e5wLsAxscqlrKAtTTfWdmUts=; b=Wz6XhtNI9pITv7qoGwzpTPb6VnN4xaVyerqC5+EXnK9yv0co0tdkDAgvf6yMJyWvUC dzeFFoypjma8+Osu50aPuoDc9PZBG2fQbx0CPMb5OWPYm+Q+1qJjZpZAkLT8b9hMyRSu nKAC2FTPtOLn98bXUcfl3aLtsw47P0qR/nPpsspf8ZmzGIc7e4TGIeWwT2heabDRGKgF 3PugAvBpKjK2sa+CLPgfUqTiKANIN80evoKy0hV64h0FWike1U4FoZGyaMbLq7wQYvF4 FVEnK3WW2F3TYLd9veDm9LJweUZyY3mvgaat+c5WY05o+mHVcofCFjLAXoyfZim20PTV AbcA== Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.156.73 with SMTP id v9mr5523686bkw.116.1346200111355; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.25.8 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Aug 2012 17:28:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201208290115.30740.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> References: <502DF7D0.8010200@wonkology.org> <502E9E84.4060500@wonkology.org> <503D30C7.1000209@wonkology.org> <201208290115.30740.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 20:28:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] My PC died. What should I try? From: Michael Mol To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Archives-Salt: ccee48d0-0512-4736-a386-f0c6f0bac4ec X-Archives-Hash: 3d48d092d05420ea2c6dccdea67ace56 On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Tuesday 28 August 2012 21:57:43 Alex Schuster wrote: >> I wrote: >> > Well, all I can do now is to get a new board and see if things will >> > be okay then. >> [...] >> So I had to wait. And when it became available, I wondered if it >> might be the processor instead that has the problem, so I let the PC >> shop diagnose CPU and board. This took until today, and they >> confirmed it was the board indeed, not the CPU. > > Let me get this straight. The shop ran tests and concluded that the > motherboard was faulty, not the CPU? > >> Fine, I bought the board > > ...it having been tested and found faulty! > >> guess what - it doesn't work. > > Sorry, but I must be misreading this. You've said that the board was > diagnosed faulty, but you bought it anyway and it turned out faulty. > Where is the mystery? The test would have been done on his old board, which the shop diagnosed to be faulty. Having had that diagnosed, he proceeded to buy a new board, which also failed. > > Is this a problem with the English language? I thought I knew it inside- > out, upside-down and back-to-front. I still think so. Yet your account > has you tying yourself in knots over a known fault. Too many uses of the insufficiently-explicit "the board"...but (in English) such ambiguities are usually resolved by surrounding context. -- :wq