[gentoo-user] USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

[gentoo-user] USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

[walt]

Maybe I overlooked some gentoo emerge warning?  A recent update
(udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting removable drives
on /run/media instead of /media.

Perhaps motivated by the recent lvm2 error messages during boot?
Anyone know for sure?

Re: [gentoo-user] USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

[Benny Gaechter]

I have got an ~amd64 machine, too. My USB Stick still mounts in /media.
Probably you changed some configuration?

Am 14. April 2012 02:19 schrieb walt <w41ter@gmail.com>:
> Maybe I overlooked some gentoo emerge warning?  A recent update
> (udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting removable drives
> on /run/media instead of /media.
>
> Perhaps motivated by the recent lvm2 error messages during boot?
> Anyone know for sure?
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

[Claudio Roberto França Pereira]

How do you mount them automatically? Isn't there a middle-man software
that mounts removable drives? I'm pretty sure I never had a drive
automount without kde or gnome managing them.

[gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

[walt]

On 04/18/2012 10:04 AM, Claudio Roberto França Pereira wrote:
> How do you mount them automatically? Isn't there a middle-man software
> that mounts removable drives? I'm pretty sure I never had a drive
> automount without kde or gnome managing them.

I forgot to check on this because I was distracted by other problems :)

Yes, I think it must be a gnome thing because the USB sticks are
mounted only when I startx, not earlier.  I'll grep through some
stuff and try to find where it comes from.

Re: [gentoo-user] USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

[Michael Scherer]

a possibility could be to get the label or UUID of the device.
blkid will give you a list to find out.
you could then enter the device in fstab with either LABEL=<label> or
UUID=<uuid>, bypassing the need to use /dev/something, which for USB-disks
might change from one system start to the next

hope I understood your problem correctly

michael

-- 
Michael Scherer
Univ.klinik f. Psychiatrie
email: michael.scherer@meduniwien.ac.at
phone: +43 6991 941 22 54

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> How do you mount them automatically? Isn't there a middle-man software
> that mounts removable drives? I'm pretty sure I never had a drive
> automount without kde or gnome managing them.
>
> 

[gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

[walt]

On 04/13/2012 05:19 PM, walt wrote:
>  A recent update
> (udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting removable drives
> on /run/media instead of /media.

Ha! I should have suspected Lennart from the beginning:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

[Walter Dnes]

On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 01:18:04PM -0700, walt wrote
> On 04/13/2012 05:19 PM, walt wrote:
> >  A recent update (udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting
> > removable drives on /run/media instead of /media.
> 
> Ha! I should have suspected Lennart from the beginning:
> 
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa

  Are we running Linux or are we running Lennax?

-- 
Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 04/13/2012 05:19 PM, walt wrote:
>>
>>  A recent update
>> (udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting removable drives
>> on /run/media instead of /media.
>
>
> Ha! I should have suspected Lennart from the beginning:
>
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa

The link you posted has nothing to do with this; that's only a
systemd-specific change in response to a change in udisks2. In other
words, Lennart has nothing to do with this change, the responsible is
David Zeuthen, udisks2 maintainer:

https://plus.google.com/u/0/110773474140772402317/posts/NqPUifsFUYH

And it's actually a pretty reasonable change (IMHO): now in multiseat
configurations each user can plug a USB drive and only him/she will
see it (unless it has the corresponding permissions). And anyway, if
you are using a desktop system you don't care where the drive mounts,
it just appears in your filemanager. If you are not using a desktop,
then you should not have udisks2 installed, probably.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

[gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

[walt]

On 05/03/2012 02:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 04/13/2012 05:19 PM, walt wrote:
>>>
>>>  A recent update
>>> (udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting removable drives
>>> on /run/media instead of /media.
>>
>>
>> Ha! I should have suspected Lennart from the beginning:
>>
>> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa
> 
> The link you posted has nothing to do with this; that's only a
> systemd-specific change in response to a change in udisks2. In other
> words, Lennart has nothing to do with this change, the responsible is
> David Zeuthen, udisks2 maintainer:
> 
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/110773474140772402317/posts/NqPUifsFUYH

Thanks for the correction.
 
> And it's actually a pretty reasonable change (IMHO): now in multiseat
> configurations each user can plug a USB drive and only him/she will
> see it

I've thought that for a long time.  Mounting my own "personal mount" on
a system directory never made any sense to me.  However, /run/media is
still a system directory, so it still doesn't make any sense to me.

I think /home/wa1ter/media is a more logical choice.  But I'm not doing
the coding in this bazaar ;)

The upstream dev(s) seem intent on mounting removable media on a tempfs
for some reason.  Do you know why?

I understand completely the reason for inventing /run and making it a
tempfs (I think Lennart *was* involved in that), but why use /run when
it's not necessary or (IMHO) logical?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 6:00 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 05/03/2012 02:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 04/13/2012 05:19 PM, walt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  A recent update
>>>> (udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting removable drives
>>>> on /run/media instead of /media.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ha! I should have suspected Lennart from the beginning:
>>>
>>> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa
>>
>> The link you posted has nothing to do with this; that's only a
>> systemd-specific change in response to a change in udisks2. In other
>> words, Lennart has nothing to do with this change, the responsible is
>> David Zeuthen, udisks2 maintainer:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/110773474140772402317/posts/NqPUifsFUYH
>
> Thanks for the correction.
>
>> And it's actually a pretty reasonable change (IMHO): now in multiseat
>> configurations each user can plug a USB drive and only him/she will
>> see it
>
> I've thought that for a long time.  Mounting my own "personal mount" on
> a system directory never made any sense to me.  However, /run/media is
> still a system directory, so it still doesn't make any sense to me.
>
> I think /home/wa1ter/media is a more logical choice.  But I'm not doing
> the coding in this bazaar ;)
>
> The upstream dev(s) seem intent on mounting removable media on a tempfs
> for some reason.  Do you know why?

So the mountpoint can be created on the fly, and so it is also
volatile. The system could "mkdir /media/<mountpoint>" everytime a USB
is plugged, and then "rmdir /media/<mountpoint>" when it's unplugged;
but if something happens (a power failure or something similar), then
you would need to manually remove the stale dir, or have a process do
it from time to time. Actually, some years ago it was not rare to have
such stale directories under /media.

None of this happens with a tmpfs.

> I understand completely the reason for inventing /run and making it a
> tempfs (I think Lennart *was* involved in that), but why use /run when
> it's not necessary or (IMHO) logical?

I don't know, really. gvfs (the new virtual filesystem for GNOME)
mounts the remote shares in $HOME/.gvfs (which is also a tmpfs). I
suppose a $HOME/.mount could be created.

I personally don't care, but it is certainly not consistent. However,
I agree with the idea of getting rid of the /media dir, and I have not
used /mnt in years, so I'm thinking on deleting both so my root dir is
cleaner.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

[Joshua Murphy]

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:00 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 05/03/2012 02:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 04/13/2012 05:19 PM, walt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  A recent update
>>>> (udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting removable drives
>>>> on /run/media instead of /media.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ha! I should have suspected Lennart from the beginning:
>>>
>>> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa
>>
>> The link you posted has nothing to do with this; that's only a
>> systemd-specific change in response to a change in udisks2. In other
>> words, Lennart has nothing to do with this change, the responsible is
>> David Zeuthen, udisks2 maintainer:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/110773474140772402317/posts/NqPUifsFUYH
>
> Thanks for the correction.
>
>> And it's actually a pretty reasonable change (IMHO): now in multiseat
>> configurations each user can plug a USB drive and only him/she will
>> see it
>
> I've thought that for a long time.  Mounting my own "personal mount" on
> a system directory never made any sense to me.  However, /run/media is
> still a system directory, so it still doesn't make any sense to me.
>
> I think /home/wa1ter/media is a more logical choice.  But I'm not doing
> the coding in this bazaar ;)
>
> The upstream dev(s) seem intent on mounting removable media on a tempfs
> for some reason.  Do you know why?
>
> I understand completely the reason for inventing /run and making it a
> tempfs (I think Lennart *was* involved in that), but why use /run when
> it's not necessary or (IMHO) logical?

In my completely uninformed guess... a) tmpfs automatically 'cleans
up' every reboot, making sure old folders aren't sitting around stale
even if something did go wrong, and/or b) it's guaranteed writable for
the service that needs to make those mount points. I could probably
come up with a 'c', but I'd likely have to actually do a bit of
reading on the topic before rising looking even more foolishly un-read
on the topic than I already do! :-P

-- 
Poison [BLX]
Joshua M. Murphy

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thu, 3 May 2012 20:33:19 -0400
Joshua Murphy <poisonbl@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 7:00 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 05/03/2012 02:48 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> >> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On 04/13/2012 05:19 PM, walt wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  A recent update
> >>>> (udev?) on my ~amd64 machines is now mounting removable drives
> >>>> on /run/media instead of /media.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Ha! I should have suspected Lennart from the beginning:
> >>>
> >>> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=231931ffba1bca9d8759bbd6f797e56f8c6971fa
> >>
> >> The link you posted has nothing to do with this; that's only a
> >> systemd-specific change in response to a change in udisks2. In
> >> other words, Lennart has nothing to do with this change, the
> >> responsible is David Zeuthen, udisks2 maintainer:
> >>
> >> https://plus.google.com/u/0/110773474140772402317/posts/NqPUifsFUYH
> >
> > Thanks for the correction.
> >
> >> And it's actually a pretty reasonable change (IMHO): now in
> >> multiseat configurations each user can plug a USB drive and only
> >> him/she will see it
> >
> > I've thought that for a long time.  Mounting my own "personal
> > mount" on a system directory never made any sense to me.
> >  However, /run/media is still a system directory, so it still
> > doesn't make any sense to me.
> >
> > I think /home/wa1ter/media is a more logical choice.  But I'm not
> > doing the coding in this bazaar ;)
> >
> > The upstream dev(s) seem intent on mounting removable media on a
> > tempfs for some reason.  Do you know why?
> >
> > I understand completely the reason for inventing /run and making it
> > a tempfs (I think Lennart *was* involved in that), but why use /run
> > when it's not necessary or (IMHO) logical?
> 
> In my completely uninformed guess... a) tmpfs automatically 'cleans
> up' every reboot, making sure old folders aren't sitting around stale
> even if something did go wrong, and/or b) it's guaranteed writable for
> the service that needs to make those mount points. I could probably
> come up with a 'c', but I'd likely have to actually do a bit of
> reading on the topic before rising looking even more foolishly un-read
> on the topic than I already do! :-P
> 

Here you go, one time c):

/run can be guaranteed to exist immediately after / is mounted, which
fixes a whole slew of really horrible problems if it isn't.



-- 
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 4 May 2012 03:37:05 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > In my completely uninformed guess... a) tmpfs automatically 'cleans
> > up' every reboot, making sure old folders aren't sitting around stale
> > even if something did go wrong, and/or b) it's guaranteed writable for
> > the service that needs to make those mount points. I could probably
> > come up with a 'c', but I'd likely have to actually do a bit of
> > reading on the topic before rising looking even more foolishly un-read
> > on the topic than I already do! :-P
> >   
> 
> Here you go, one time c):
> 
> /run can be guaranteed to exist immediately after / is mounted, which
> fixes a whole slew of really horrible problems if it isn't.

But it cannot be guaranteed that / is mounted rw at this time, so /run o
tmpfs makes sense from that perspective. However, it is an illogical place
to mount removable devices, whereas the function of /media is immediately
obvious from its name. The link given indicates that systemd was already
mounting /media as a tmpfs, is it really worth switching to an
unintuitive location for the mountpoints just to save one tmpfs which
uses so little resources?


-- 
Neil Bothwick

If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed...
 ...Oh, wait a minute, he already does.

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Re: [gentoo-user] [a bit OT] Re: USB sticks now mounting on /run/media instead of /media ?

[pk]

On 2012-05-03 23:48, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:

>And anyway, if
> you are using a desktop system you don't care where the drive mounts,
> it just appears in your filemanager. 

I have a desktop system but I don't have a "filemanager" installed and I
don't run an automounter. You assume everyone uses what you do? I don't
even have a /run directory so please don't assume that, at least some of
us, doesn't care about where "the drive mounts" (since I mount manually)...

>If you are not using a desktop,
> then you should not have udisks2 installed, probably.

I don't have udisks(n) installed either... see no need for it. :-)

Best regards

Peter K