From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4TM4-0007qU-IP for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:01:32 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7F0x2xF012817; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 00:59:02 GMT Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.72]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7F0qliG009998 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 00:52:47 GMT Received: from mac.com (smtpin02-en2 [10.13.10.147]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/8.12.11/smtpout15/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j7F0rB4M023628 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.106] (cpe001217fa060b-cm0013718c1a36.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [70.24.10.222]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin02/MantshX 4.0) with ESMTP id j7F0r9HW029173 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:53:10 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <42FFBCE4.9040606@planet.nl> References: <6C3F87F2-A3F1-47A5-A18E-A3632967B781@mac.com> <42FFA5AF.3070904@gmail.com> <20050815093712.EFBD.NICK@rout.co.nz> <42FFBCE4.9040606@planet.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Hoy Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives? Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:53:08 -0400 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Archives-Salt: 09dd0fdd-9c93-4b18-ab20-8b45415f093c X-Archives-Hash: c6b68c0ab157563d2fd4618ed7d3e0f5 See inline On Aug 14, 2005, at 5:51 PM, Holly Bostick wrote: > Nick Rout schreef: > >> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:12:31 -0700 >> Zac Medico wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi Paul, >>> >>> Are we really far behind? That's difficult to believe. For what >>> packages specifically? Do >>> >> >> you know how to unmask unstable packages (marked M or M~ at >> packages.gentoo.org)? >> >> Unstable does not really cut it IMHO. I am a gentoo enthusiast >> through >> and through, but plonking something in portage with a ~ beside it >> does >> not constitute a release of a recent version IMHO. >> >> > OK, I'll bite. What then do you consider "a release of a recent > version" > to be constituted from? > I don't really understand your question. The most recent version to me coincides to a release date closest to whatever today is. > If it's been released upstream, and it's in Portage a couple of hours > later, so I can install it, I don't know what more you could want.... > what, you want a Mandrake- (or worse, still, Debian) -style wait of > months before you can use the upstream version? > I don't agree with you. There are many examples where a file that has been released upstream has not found its way into Portage. I've provided examples elsewhere in this thread. You can also compare with the Fedora feedlist. > I'll grant you that it's sometimes a little bumpy... but then you > might > as well be running Slack or something (not that there's anything wrong > with Slackware except the appalling package management). > I agree. I don't like like Slackware's package management either. > But since I have yet to find a problem I couldn't solve in a few > minutes-- and if I couldn't, it was clearly a dev issue/b.g.o issue, > where I could generally count on it to be solved within hours, if not > prior to my discovery-- I really can't quite see what you're on about. > Perhaps you've pointed out the difference in perspectives and experience. I've run into a few problems where it has taken me longer than a merely few mintues to resolve a problem. I'm actually not "on about" anything. I'm interested in the differrences/similarities between LFC and Gentoo, which I stated in my original email. > What would be different in the Gentoo you envision? > Well, that's actually the question I'm asking. > Holly > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list