From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Qa8ar-0003JE-TD for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:46:54 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5136E1C002; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f181.google.com (mail-qy0-f181.google.com [209.85.216.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F085C1C002 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so1680500qyk.19 for ; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:43:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Zk/Wf8FZxxb76C9kys06GO0VSte1mdwHaKkMa6lSiD4=; b=dE6bMOmdEtfJKcThYfK9sLSTgXr4NrHmzzzWclFwk9BaK/S6Gg5I02XsjnuqjHQafS WS/Lok+OdLjpnLc1x1Izcb/YDOk0o53rRZGPQgLgGu0Uvka+p4xY7ESr+aw36fSTcc/j 2zL+DNJc7csv1Ys2Ho8xX0wkM3cCxH3McgEM0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ngsNuqN7TMNjMwhW1gi2GrWamHIeIQQ0mHylDHVVnq6/cMiT/6mlc+DxCGw6ZXC4Qm dMfNaa/Ly1poDBATTCJy+PsIOvNCx5JIxx4mBH93lW+/m2y0ENFgdfEf8OmE8iiRxTJd V/tOBZNzj38oZtITrNAHlFZ6d77yn2nurBTSA= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.195.198 with SMTP id ed6mr2804069qab.228.1308930230738; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.61.14 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:43:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110624133832.GQ30008@ns1.bonedaddy.net> References: <4E0167C4.9080100@gmail.com> <4E020F32.1040209@gmail.com> <201106232322.11570.peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> <4E03C416.7000504@kutulu.org> <20110624120304.GM30008@ns1.bonedaddy.net> <4E0486D1.20703@kutulu.org> <20110624133832.GQ30008@ns1.bonedaddy.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:43:50 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now? From: Mark Knecht To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 756318e90c9661b371bf59e54d606aed On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Todd Goodman wrote: > * Mike Edenfield [110624 08:25]: >> On 6/24/2011 8:03 AM, Todd Goodman wrote: >> > * Mike Edenfield =C2=A0[110623 18:34]: >> >> >> It's one package (cantor) that has one dependency (R) that is optiona= l >> >> (USE=3D-R) that falls squarely into the "if you aren't sure if you ne= ed it >> >> then you probably don't" category. So for most users, no, you don't n= eed >> >> > What seems strange then is that if everyone keeps telling Dale that he >> > most likely doesn't need cantor and R then why is R enabled in the >> > profile by default? >> >> It's not enabled in the profile, it's enabled in the ebuild: >> >> IUSE=3D"debug ps +R" >> >> and likely for the same reason there's a scary warning. If >> you're installing cantor, because you plan to use it (and >> not because kde-meta is a bloat monster), you need one of >> the two backends to make it work. R is the preferred option >> there, so the cantor maintainers assume "if you want cantor, >> you probably want R", and the cascade begins. >> >> --Mike > > Ah, OK. =C2=A0So it really comes down to "kde-meta is a bloat monster." > > Thanks, > > Todd Or maybe 'kde-meta as currently constructed by someone somewhere is a bloat monster in some other people's opinions'. And, we're not required to use it. Maybe it happens somewhere but I don't know of any truly interactive user driven process that decides what gets included in any ebuild. It is driven more by our kind devs by whatever decision process they use. I'm *perfectly* fine with that. To some Gentoo users anything on the system that they don't actively use is bloat. I understand. To others, myself included, I don't mind if there's a bunch of extra stuff on my system if it makes some developer's life easier. 95% of what I do in KDE is run Firefox or a VM for trading futures and the balance is mostly use a terminal to maintain my systems. I use Skype a little, backup to a few different external hard drives. Sometimes I play solitaire. Nearly all of my media watching is done in a VM due to NetFlix not supporting anything that runs native on Linux, although I do use xine to watch the occasional DVD from NetFlix that only I want to watch. I don't share desktops, share or mount anything natively Windows. I don't use Konqueror or KDE Mail. I use almost nothing in the KDE Menus for Development, Education, Games, Graphics, Multimedia or Office. And I also don't care enough to do anything about trying to maintain a 'smaller' KDE footprint on my machine because the code builds plenty fast and I don't want to use my time that way. This is just my 'life can be simple' strategy. It works for me and has allowed me to drop about 40 pounds of bloat in the last 8 months. Blood pressure is down. I sleep better. I don't sweat the small stuff as much. Again, this is just me... - Mark