From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Q6fsc-0004Ox-2K for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 09:15:26 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E8EA41C010; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 09:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from svr-us4.tirtonadi.com (unknown [69.65.43.212]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AED1C010 for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 09:14:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com ([209.85.214.181]) by svr-us4.tirtonadi.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Q6frG-00077c-MF for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 16:14:02 +0700 Received: by iwn2 with SMTP id 2so6962064iwn.40 for ; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 02:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.155.65 with SMTP id t1mr5209143icw.493.1301908438923; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 02:13:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.167.7 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 02:13:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201104041104.09393.joost@antarean.org> References: <20110403104724.6e6894fb@digimed.co.uk> <20110403101309.31631c17@acme7.acmenet> <201104041104.09393.joost@antarean.org> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 16:13:58 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How low can you go? From: Pandu Poluan To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - svr-us4.tirtonadi.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.gentoo.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - poluan.info X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 2d44ae62311c903c1cd70985f1936d90 On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 16:04, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > On Sunday 03 April 2011 15:13:09 luis jure wrote: >> on 2011-04-03 at 10:47 Neil Bothwick wrote: >> >It's been done on a C-64, but I think a 3.5KB box with no mass storage >> >might be a little too challenging. >> >> 3.5? wow, i always thought that the name meant it had 20K... like the C64 >> and C128. but no. now, almost 30 years later, i learn that it had 5K, 1.5 >> of them used by the system (you wouldn't want to leave the system without >> ram, would you?) >> >> i never had a vic-20 (my first computer was the atari st-1040 in 1988), >> but a friend of mine had one in the early 80's and i always wondered at >> all the things you could do with the thing. i couldn't program, so i used >> to sit next by him telling him my ideas for a program for algorithmic >> composition, that he tried to code. > > Nice, a walk down memory lane :) > The first computer we had at home (apart from an IBM my dad borrowed a few > times) was an Atari 1040 ST. > We got it in 1986 and I can't even remember all the things I did with it. > It came with a copy of GFA Basic. This was a bit like C or Pascal, but then > with Basic commands. > No line numbers, a decent editor and a compiler and linker. I could mix > machine-code, basic-code and C-code into a final program to get a faster > result. > > The machine still worked last time I tried it and is currently still stored at > my parents with strict instructions not to throw it away :) > Oh, the nostalgy... :-) My first computer I believe was an Apple ][, a hand-down from an uncle. It ran only for 1-2 weeks before it went to the Bit Bucket in the Sky. Then my parents got me an Atari 800XL. That's where I cut my programming teeth with its built-in BASIC. When its floppy drive (5.25") gave up the ghost, I got another hand-down; a PC-XT compatible no-name with a huge (at that time) 20 MB hard disk. Again, it died after serving me & my brother for a couple of years, and we got a "PC Brand 486 SLC" desktop. And there I dabbled in Pascal and ASM, making replacement drivers for MS-DOS :-P ... I still remember tuning QEMM386.sys trying to eke the last bytes of Low Memory... Afterwards, I started university, and its a blur of PC clones (and Windows 9x)... and I shifted mental-gears to become a network engineer :-) Rgds, -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Visit my Blog: http://pepoluan.posterous.com