[gentoo-user] Gentoo-based 'filer' / GentooFiler How-To?

[gentoo-user] Gentoo-based 'filer' / GentooFiler How-To?

[Pandu Poluan]

Hello list!

Is there a how-to on how to create a 'filer' (kind of like OpenFiler)
using Gentoo?

I really don't need many things OpenFiler provided, so I think I want
to roll-out my own 'GentooFiler'.

Here's what I need:
  * iSCSI target
  * Replication
  * RAID 0 striping (redundancy will be handled by RAID 1 hardware)

Here's what I don't want:
  * Web-based GUI
  * LDAP and/or AD integration
  * NAS ability (CIFS/SAMBA, NFS, etc)

Can you point me to a how-to? Or if such howto doesn't exist yet, can
you provide me pointers on how to realize the GentooFiler?

(If there's no howto on making a GentooFiler, I'll be glad to make one
-- but do point me to the necessary resources, please.)

Thanks in advance!

Rgds,


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo-based 'filer' / GentooFiler How-To?

[Florian Philipp]

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Am 14.05.2011 21:31, schrieb Pandu Poluan:
> Hello list!
> 
> Is there a how-to on how to create a 'filer' (kind of like OpenFiler)
> using Gentoo?
> 
> I really don't need many things OpenFiler provided, so I think I want
> to roll-out my own 'GentooFiler'.
> 
> Here's what I need:
>   * iSCSI target
>   * Replication
>   * RAID 0 striping (redundancy will be handled by RAID 1 hardware)
> 
> Here's what I don't want:
>   * Web-based GUI
>   * LDAP and/or AD integration
>   * NAS ability (CIFS/SAMBA, NFS, etc)
> 
> Can you point me to a how-to? Or if such howto doesn't exist yet, can
> you provide me pointers on how to realize the GentooFiler?
> 
> (If there's no howto on making a GentooFiler, I'll be glad to make one
> -- but do point me to the necessary resources, please.)
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Rgds,
> 
> 
 Gentoo wiki has something on this:
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/ISCSI

Hope this helps,
Florian Philipp


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo-based 'filer' / GentooFiler How-To?

[Pandu Poluan]

Hmmm... that would be a nice start, thanks!

Now to figure out how to carry out RAID 0 Striping and Replication.

Do you think this 'GentooFiler' thingy I'm planning is worth it to be
suggested in [gentoo-project] ?

Rgds,

On 2011-05-15, Florian Philipp <lists@binarywings.net> wrote:
> Am 14.05.2011 21:31, schrieb Pandu Poluan:
>> Hello list!
>>
>> Is there a how-to on how to create a 'filer' (kind of like OpenFiler)
>> using Gentoo?
>>
>> I really don't need many things OpenFiler provided, so I think I want
>> to roll-out my own 'GentooFiler'.
>>
>> Here's what I need:
>>   * iSCSI target
>>   * Replication
>>   * RAID 0 striping (redundancy will be handled by RAID 1 hardware)
>>
>> Here's what I don't want:
>>   * Web-based GUI
>>   * LDAP and/or AD integration
>>   * NAS ability (CIFS/SAMBA, NFS, etc)
>>
>> Can you point me to a how-to? Or if such howto doesn't exist yet, can
>> you provide me pointers on how to realize the GentooFiler?
>>
>> (If there's no howto on making a GentooFiler, I'll be glad to make one
>> -- but do point me to the necessary resources, please.)
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Rgds,
>>
>>
>  Gentoo wiki has something on this:
> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/ISCSI
>
> Hope this helps,
> Florian Philipp
>
>


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo-based 'filer' / GentooFiler How-To?

[Florian Philipp]

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Am 15.05.2011 05:37, schrieb Pandu Poluan:
> On 2011-05-15, Florian Philipp <lists@binarywings.net> wrote:
>> Am 14.05.2011 21:31, schrieb Pandu Poluan:
>>> Hello list!
>>>
>>> Is there a how-to on how to create a 'filer' (kind of like OpenFiler)
>>> using Gentoo?
>>>
>>> I really don't need many things OpenFiler provided, so I think I want
>>> to roll-out my own 'GentooFiler'.
>>>
>>> Here's what I need:
>>>   * iSCSI target
>>>   * Replication
>>>   * RAID 0 striping (redundancy will be handled by RAID 1 hardware)
>>>
>>> Here's what I don't want:
>>>   * Web-based GUI
>>>   * LDAP and/or AD integration
>>>   * NAS ability (CIFS/SAMBA, NFS, etc)
>>>
>>> Can you point me to a how-to? Or if such howto doesn't exist yet, can
>>> you provide me pointers on how to realize the GentooFiler?
>>>
>>> (If there's no howto on making a GentooFiler, I'll be glad to make one
>>> -- but do point me to the necessary resources, please.)
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Rgds,
>>>
>>>
>>  Gentoo wiki has something on this:
>> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/ISCSI
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Florian Philipp
>>
>>
> 
> 
> Hmmm... that would be a nice start, thanks!
>
> Now to figure out how to carry out RAID 0 Striping and Replication.
>
> Do you think this 'GentooFiler' thingy I'm planning is worth it to be
> suggested in [gentoo-project] ?
>
> Rgds,
>

I think as long as you don't plan to provide code (except of some
scripts, maybe), new packages or pre-packaged VMs/live-CDs/appliances, a
wiki page will be more than enough. Maybe move it to the official Gentoo
docs once it has matured.

BTW: Please don't top-post. Put your answers below the text you are
quoting. That makes reading longer threads easier.

Regards,
Florian Philipp


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo-based 'filer' / GentooFiler How-To?

[pk]

On 2011-05-15 12:05, Florian Philipp wrote:

> BTW: Please don't top-post. Put your answers below the text you are
> quoting. That makes reading longer threads easier.

Yes, but putting the text below the quoted text also assumes one keeps
only the relevant text (i.e. deletes all irrelevant text), which (sadly)
doesn't seem to be the norm these days...

Best regards

Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo-based 'filer' / GentooFiler How-To?

[Pandu Poluan]

On 2011-05-15, Florian Philipp <lists@binarywings.net> wrote:
> Am 15.05.2011 05:37, schrieb Pandu Poluan:
>> On 2011-05-15, Florian Philipp <lists@binarywings.net> wrote:
>>> Am 14.05.2011 21:31, schrieb Pandu Poluan:
>>>> Hello list!
>>>>
>>>> Is there a how-to on how to create a 'filer' (kind of like OpenFiler)
>>>> using Gentoo?
>>>>
>>>> I really don't need many things OpenFiler provided, so I think I want
>>>> to roll-out my own 'GentooFiler'.
>>>>
>>>> Here's what I need:
>>>>   * iSCSI target
>>>>   * Replication
>>>>   * RAID 0 striping (redundancy will be handled by RAID 1 hardware)
>>>>
>>>> Here's what I don't want:
>>>>   * Web-based GUI
>>>>   * LDAP and/or AD integration
>>>>   * NAS ability (CIFS/SAMBA, NFS, etc)
>>>>
>>>> Can you point me to a how-to? Or if such howto doesn't exist yet, can
>>>> you provide me pointers on how to realize the GentooFiler?
>>>>
>>>> (If there's no howto on making a GentooFiler, I'll be glad to make one
>>>> -- but do point me to the necessary resources, please.)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>> Rgds,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>  Gentoo wiki has something on this:
>>> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/ISCSI
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Florian Philipp
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hmmm... that would be a nice start, thanks!
>>
>> Now to figure out how to carry out RAID 0 Striping and Replication.
>>
>> Do you think this 'GentooFiler' thingy I'm planning is worth it to be
>> suggested in [gentoo-project] ?
>>
>> Rgds,
>>
>
> I think as long as you don't plan to provide code (except of some
> scripts, maybe), new packages or pre-packaged VMs/live-CDs/appliances, a
> wiki page will be more than enough. Maybe move it to the official Gentoo
> docs once it has matured.
>

Thanks for the guidelines. I'll experiment first. I *might* go the way
of pre-packaged VMs, though, since after all that's what I'm planning
to do (i.e., GentooFiler virtual appliance on top of XenServer).

> BTW: Please don't top-post. Put your answers below the text you are
> quoting. That makes reading longer threads easier.
>
> Regards,
> Florian Philipp
>

Yeah, sorry about that. Bad habits. When you're mobile with Symbian
smartphones, circumstances will make one acquire bad habits really
quickly :(

The *only* way I can properly bottom post like now, is to visit
Gmail's 'basic HTML' interface using Nokia's browser *sigh*.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo-based 'filer' / GentooFiler How-To?

[Pandu Poluan]

On Sunday, May 15, 2011, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> Hmmm... that would be a nice start, thanks!
>
> Now to figure out how to carry out RAID 0 Striping and Replication.
>
> Do you think this 'GentooFiler' thingy I'm planning is worth it to be
> suggested in [gentoo-project] ?
>
> Rgds,
>
> On 2011-05-15, Florian Philipp <lists@binarywings.net> wrote:
>> Am 14.05.2011 21:31, schrieb Pandu Poluan:
>>> Hello list!
>>>
>>> Is there a how-to on how to create a 'filer' (kind of like OpenFiler)
>>> using Gentoo?
>>>
>>> I really don't need many things OpenFiler provided, so I think I want
>>> to roll-out my own 'GentooFiler'.
>>>
>>> Here's what I need:
>>>   * iSCSI target
>>>   * Replication
>>>   * RAID 0 striping (redundancy will be handled by RAID 1 hardware)
>>>
>>> Here's what I don't want:
>>>   * Web-based GUI
>>>   * LDAP and/or AD integration
>>>   * NAS ability (CIFS/SAMBA, NFS, etc)
>>>
>>> Can you point me to a how-to? Or if such howto doesn't exist yet, can
>>> you provide me pointers on how to realize the GentooFiler?
>>>
>>> (If there's no howto on making a GentooFiler, I'll be glad to make one
>>> -- but do point me to the necessary resources, please.)
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Rgds,
>>>
>>>
>>  Gentoo wiki has something on this:
>> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/ISCSI
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Florian Philipp
>>
>>

Hmmm... The linked page is a howto on using IET and Open-iSCSI.
Elsewhere on the net, I read that tgt (Stgt?) is the replacement for
IET...

Which naturally leads to a confused me:

Is it true that tgt will replace IET?

If not (or not in the near future), what's the advantage/disadvantage
of one over the other?

If true, are there any links/howtos/tutorial on using tgt? And tuning it?

Thanks in advance!

Rgds,


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo-based 'filer' / GentooFiler How-To?

[Andrea Conti]

Hello,

> Is it true that tgt will replace IET?

Last time someone asked that question on the IET mailing list the answer
was "no". I can't find the relevant thread right now but I think the
general idea was that IET concentrates on code stability (thus no
inclusion in the kernel sources) and enterprise-oriented features, while
STGT follows kernel development and supports lots of fancy things.

Also, I think there is/was at least a partial overlap in the developers
behind the two projects.

> If true, are there any links/howtos/tutorial on using tgt? And tuning it?

I would start from the project home page, http://stgt.sourceforge.net/

HTH,
andrea

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo-based 'filer' / GentooFiler How-To?

[Pandu Poluan]

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 14:45, Andrea Conti <alyf@alyf.net> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> > Is it true that tgt will replace IET?
>
> Last time someone asked that question on the IET mailing list the answer
> was "no". I can't find the relevant thread right now but I think the
> general idea was that IET concentrates on code stability (thus no
> inclusion in the kernel sources) and enterprise-oriented features, while
> STGT follows kernel development and supports lots of fancy things.
>
> Also, I think there is/was at least a partial overlap in the developers
> behind the two projects.
>
> > If true, are there any links/howtos/tutorial on using tgt? And tuning it?
>
> I would start from the project home page, http://stgt.sourceforge.net/
>
> HTH,
> andrea
>

Ahh, thanks for the explanation.

I'd go the IET route, then; I value stability over features.

Rgds,
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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo-based 'filer' / GentooFiler How-To?

[Pandu Poluan]

-original message-
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo-based 'filer' / GentooFiler How-To?
From: pk <peterk2@coolmail.se>
Date: 2011-05-15 17:47

On 2011-05-15 12:05, Florian Philipp wrote:

> BTW: Please don't top-post. Put your answers below the text you are
> quoting. That makes reading longer threads easier.

Yeah, sorry about that. Bad habits due to prolonged exposure to Google's Java-based mobile client :(

pk <peterk2@coolmail.se> : Yes, but putting the text below the quoted text also assumes one keeps
only the relevant text (i.e. deletes all irrelevant text), which (sadly)
doesn't seem to be the norm these days...

Indeed. And sometimes top-posting is *forced* (e.g., Google's Java-based Gmail client -- it *totally* hides the replied-to message).

Heck, using my E72's built-in mail client is only slightly better: for reasons known to the makers only, replies do *not* get indented using '>'. I have to manually put in a mark there.

Rgds,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo-based 'filer' / GentooFiler How-To?

[pk]

On 2011-05-15 14:59, Pandu Poluan wrote:

> Indeed. And sometimes top-posting is *forced* (e.g., Google's
>Java-based Gmail client -- it *totally* hides the replied-to message).
> 
> Heck, using my E72's built-in mail client is only slightly better:
>for reasons known to the makers only, replies do *not* get indented
>using '>'. I have to manually put in a mark there.

Yes, I know I'm trying to fight wind mills here (ref. to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote for those not in the know)...
(I'm not happy with my current mail client either [Thunderbird]).
 I just added my comment to expand Florians suggestion, and the fact
that most people on this list don't top-post but do not edit their mails
so you have to scroll down, sometimes page after page to find the reply.
But this is quite common on most lists today (and most lists are, sadly,
much more tolerant towards top-posting). 'tis but a reflection of mine...

From http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855:
"
- If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
      summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
      enough text of the original to give a context.  This will make
      sure readers understand when they start to read your response.
      Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the
      postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a
      response to a message before seeing the original.  Giving context
      helps everyone.  But do not include the entire original!
"

Best regards

Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo-based 'filer' / GentooFiler How-To?

[Tanstaafl]

On 2011-05-15 10:05 AM, pk wrote:
> (I'm not happy with my current mail client either [Thunderbird]).

Why not? It isn't perfect, but is by far the best GUI+IMAP client I've
found...

Maybe you didn't know you could highlight the test you want to include
in your reply, and it will include *only* that in the reply?