From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QPoRy-0001mY-7M for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 27 May 2011 04:15:02 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 647B81C006; Fri, 27 May 2011 04:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E614B1C006 for ; Fri, 27 May 2011 04:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwj40 with SMTP id 40so1304539wwj.10 for ; Thu, 26 May 2011 21:13:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=T2F6CwyjLKJOU4nltZ4KpakorpRgiZfk5Hbhk3N6vjU=; b=OYoAaZLHt/n5cg7FKHyYtvx3tTlaujKTWG93z3U4Jbx4DKGlHEtJDN6D8oi3+jU1C0 k080myYuEiy4ioweOpjxcOB1ErH/VgVFUWkJt7VGVj/QFacABBz2AIjohXXsaXH4YAIY PVaDvzpqTDsLSuQ9m+10WJDKHaDZZ08ZCtm+M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=NdbVOfmwrWm8x4iTcOU5Y69Wr5w8nX6Tb8S0OEEvKdXUHnRjIpQyn6cuWW1j/DAZAY Gpcfu/+mW/85/Vdm9CXJkiFDX1BkrBhyo0McQZbU04KOb6vN77xTNmo5NJyZxMKaxKEo UyHYVGUbU0IiOdnzYXTIyLGsuuwMGG8/Nqtsg= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.12.1 with SMTP id v1mr1540582wbv.83.1306469583980; Thu, 26 May 2011 21:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.154.75 with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2011 21:13:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 21:13:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye, Gentoo From: "Kevin O'Gorman" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=002215974d2e76891004a43a2789 X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 342bfbbcfeec909edb8e2f4de79be8d8 --002215974d2e76891004a43a2789 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Mark Shields wrote: > On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > >> It looks like it's time to take Gentoo off of my main machine. I feel a >> little sad about it, or I'd just quietly go away. >> >> A few months ago, an update made the machine headless -- well, it could no >> longer bring up X but I could use the console-mode for admin, and log in via >> SSH from my laptop and run GUI programs. I was busy at the time, first >> deciding and then implementing my retirement, so I let it go. >> >> Now, a couple of months into my retirement, I'm trying to fix things up, >> and the latest Gentoo live disk cannot talk to my monitor at all. Whatever >> it's trying is unacceptable to the HD monitor I've had on there for a year, >> and I can't even run the consoles. The video card is an ATI Rage XL on the >> motherboard. Like the rest of the machine, it's vintage 2000, so maybe >> support got dropped. But I'm not inclined to drop the machine -- it was the >> ballyhooed thing in Linux Journal in 2002 when I finished my PHD, so I put >> together these pieces: >> * Two XEON chips. I didn't know it right away but that means 4 cores. >> They are old Pentium IV-based 32-bit chips. I got the slowest still being >> made, so the clock speed is 1.6 GHz. On 4 cores, it's not bad at all. >> * 2GB of DDR ECC memory >> * about a dozen hard drives (some old, but mostly 500GB - 2TB Sata >> drives), I feel it's still worthy of respect. Some of these are in EZ-Dock >> docking stations and are used for rotating backups (including off-site). >> The main directories are on hardware RAID 1 so I have ongoing redundancy. >> * a Smart UPS 1500 for everything except the laser printer. >> >> So, since I am familiar with Ubuntu from work, and have it on a couple of >> laptops, I'm installing from the Ubuntu 11.04 live disk (video is just >> fine). >> >> The real headache is all the stuff I'm going to have to port. >> >> 1) Apache and dynamic (Python CGI) web site. >> 2) Postfix >> 3) About a dozen accounts that just do wget(1) data gathering triggered by >> the cron daemon. >> 4) DNS (I run my own domain on a commercial DSL account) >> 5) NTP client and server >> 6) Whatever else I forgot I set up over the years. >> >> My original reason for using Gentoo is that this machine was pretty exotic >> when I bought it, and I wanted to be able to tweak the compiler to get the >> most out of it. I can still do that for specific applications I'm working >> on, but otherwise it's really a non-issue now. I have gotten pretty tired >> of updates that take over 48 hours to compile, and the occasional mess-up >> that once or twice led me to rebuild with empty-tree and took a week or so. >> >> >> So I guess I shouldn't complain (and I'm not). I'm just not in the target >> market for Gentoo any more. It was fun, though. >> -- >> Kevin O'Gorman, PhD >> >> > > You let a small problem like the latest live cd not booting your system > scare you away? > > Have you tried using an older live cd? If it's a video issue, maybe > detecting your monitor wrong, how about turning on the framebuffer (there's > an option for that)? > > It's doable man, don't give up. > Of course it's doable. It's just the last straw. This left my web site down for a week; I obviously can't always keep up with Gentoo's requirements, so I'm going to an easier distro that I'm equally familiar with. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD --002215974d2e76891004a43a2789 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Mark Sh= ields <laebshad= e@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 26= , 2011 at 6:28 PM, Kevin O'Gorman <kogorman@gmail.com> = wrote:
It looks like it's time to take Gentoo off of my main machine.=C2=A0 I = feel a little sad about it, or I'd just quietly go away.

A few m= onths ago, an update made the machine headless -- well, it could no longer = bring up X but I could use the console-mode for admin, and log in via SSH f= rom my laptop and run GUI programs.=C2=A0 I was busy at the time, first dec= iding and then implementing my retirement, so I let it go.

Now, a couple of months into my retirement, I'm trying to fix thing= s up, and the latest Gentoo live disk cannot talk to my monitor at all.=C2= =A0 Whatever it's trying is unacceptable to the HD monitor I've had= on there for a year, and I can't even run the consoles.=C2=A0 The vide= o card is an ATI Rage XL on the motherboard.=C2=A0 Like the rest of the mac= hine, it's vintage 2000, so maybe support got dropped.=C2=A0 But I'= m not inclined to drop the machine -- it was the ballyhooed thing in Linux = Journal in 2002 when I finished my PHD, so I put together these pieces: * Two XEON chips.=C2=A0 I didn't know it right away but that means 4 co= res.=C2=A0 They are old Pentium IV-based 32-bit chips.=C2=A0 I got the slow= est still being made, so the clock speed is 1.6 GHz.=C2=A0 On 4 cores, it&#= 39;s not bad at all.
*=C2=A0 2GB of DDR ECC memory
* about a dozen hard drives (some old, but= mostly 500GB - 2TB Sata drives), I feel it's still worthy of respect.= =C2=A0 Some of these are in EZ-Dock docking stations and are used for rotat= ing backups (including off-site).=C2=A0 The main directories are on hardwar= e RAID 1 so I have ongoing redundancy.
* a Smart UPS 1500 for everything except the laser printer.

So, sinc= e I am familiar with Ubuntu from work, and have it on a couple of laptops, = I'm installing from the Ubuntu 11.04 live disk (video is just fine).
The real headache is all the stuff I'm going to have to port.
1) Apache and dynamic (Python CGI) web site.
2) Postfix
3) About a = dozen accounts that just do wget(1) data gathering triggered by the cron da= emon.
4) DNS (I run my own domain on a commercial DSL account)
5) NTP client a= nd server
6) Whatever else I forgot I set up over the years.

My original reason for using Gentoo is that this machine was pret= ty exotic when I bought it, and I wanted to be able to tweak the compiler t= o get the most out of it.=C2=A0 I can still do that for specific applicatio= ns I'm working on, but otherwise it's really a non-issue now.=C2=A0= I have gotten pretty tired of updates that take over 48 hours to compile, = and the occasional mess-up that once or twice led me to rebuild with empty-= tree and took a week or so.=C2=A0

So I guess I shouldn't complain (and I'm not).=C2=A0 I'm ju= st not in the target market for Gentoo any more.=C2=A0 It was fun, though.<= br>--
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD



You let a sma= ll problem like the latest live cd not booting your system scare you away?<= br>
Have you tried using an older live cd? =C2=A0If it's a video iss= ue, maybe detecting your monitor wrong, how about turning on the framebuffe= r (there's an option for that)?

It's doable man, don't give up.

Of course it's doable.=C2=A0 It's just the l= ast straw.=C2=A0 This left my web site down for a week; I obviously can'= ;t always keep up with Gentoo's requirements, so I'm going to an ea= sier distro that I'm equally familiar with.


--
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD

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