From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1PIwPJ-0000xQ-D3 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:47:37 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CEFA0E075C; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78644E075C for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:46:35 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.59,215,1288569600"; d="scan'208";a="231103888" Received: from 213-152-39-90.dsl.eclipse.net.uk (HELO compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org) ([213.152.39.90]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2010 04:46:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.101] (unknown [192.168.1.101]) by compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EE5125EB for ; Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:46:16 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] One machine sends "emerge" text output to stderr, not stdout From: Stroller In-Reply-To: <20101118002025.GA23732@waltdnes.org> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 04:46:16 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20101117002517.GA18328@waltdnes.org> <20101118002025.GA23732@waltdnes.org> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Archives-Salt: ed769938-d64c-4136-814b-4ec442f54a83 X-Archives-Hash: 5756d6660dc7b678cd85e468a59ee573 On 18/11/2010, at 12:20am, Walter Dnes wrote: > On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 01:41:45PM +0000, Stroller wrote >=20 >> It's probably fixed in one of the updates! Why are you posting before >> you checked that!?!? >=20 > It started happening suddenly And yes, I did search bugzilla, > although I admit my searches aren't always perfect. And if "emerge > --sync" output ends up telling me there is a portage update, I do run > it first. You can't properly check if your bug is fixed in the updates by checking = bugzilla. You need to check by *applying* the updates. In your previous message you didn't tell us that you'd upgraded Portage = to the latest before getting this error on 115 remaining updates, and if = you did actually do that, it doesn't really matter, because you still = need to run the other updates first. If you phoned HP or Dell tech support and said you had a problem, they = would ask if you had the latest version(s) of the software on your = machine. They might well expect you to run system update to ensure all = system packages are up to date, too. You shouldn't expect more support = effort from the list than you would from a company you're paying for = help! You might *get* more support effort from the folks here on the = list, but that's because we're nice people (well, we all are except me = and Alan) - make it easier for us! I'm sorry if this comes across as rude, but I think it's daft to ask the = list for help when your system isn't up to date. It might not fix the = problem on this occasion, but don't sneer at me if that's the case = because plenty of times it will. You've got more than one easy = workaround that will overcome this problem and allow you to review the = `emerge --pretend` output for the duration of this emerge. The effort of = writing an email asking for help (and giving all the information) is so = much more than that of just running the update, that even if the update = doesn't fix the problem 95% of the time, it's still less effort = cumulatively to always update the system before looking into the = problem! Incidentally: in your original message you stated that you pipe the = output of `emerge -pv --update` to less. This will remove colour from = the output, cause it to be rendered in black and white, and make it = harder to read. I have one machine that doesn't do terminal colours - I = don't use it that much, so I'm not sure that it's worth fixing, but only = the other day I was marvelling at how much easier it is to read stuff on = my Gentoo boxes with with syntax highlighting sprinkled throughout my = terminal. For instance I use `export MANPAGER=3D"/usr/bin/most"`. If = you're not using a GUI terminal emulator with a scrollbar, then may I = respectfully suggest you install `tmux` (a replacement for GNU `screen`) = and use it. It takes a little while to get familiar with it, and with = its keybindings and stuff, and perhaps even to get into the habit and = mindset of using it, but it really is brilliant, and it will allow you = to page through output of `emerge --pretend` whilst retaining the = colours that portage applies to the USE flag information. Stroller.