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* [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
@ 2006-12-13 21:59 Travis Osterman
  2006-12-13 22:14 ` Steve Dibb
  2006-12-13 22:49 ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Travis Osterman @ 2006-12-13 21:59 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

I needed to unmask ivtv by placing it in my
/etc/portage/package.keywords as "media-tv/ivtv".  Now I'd like to
have my system not ask me to ever upgrade it again until the newer
version is required as a dependency of some other program.

I thought that putting "=media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0" (where 0.9.0 is my
current version) in /etc/portage/package.mask would be the solution,
but when I "emerge ivtv -pv" it wants to upgrade to "0.9.1".

I commented out the line in package.keywords thinking maybe if it was
already installed and masked that portage would ignore it.  The result
of this was portage wanted to downgrade to the more 'stable' 0.8.x -
which is also not the desired result.

Is there a way to not upgrade to 0.9.1 without emerge'ing ivtv with
the '-1' option or using package.provided (as it seems to circumvent
portage's dependency checking)?  Thanks.

-- Travis
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
  2006-12-13 21:59 [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords? Travis Osterman
@ 2006-12-13 22:14 ` Steve Dibb
  2006-12-13 22:46   ` Travis Osterman
  2006-12-13 23:55   ` Jason Ausmus
  2006-12-13 22:49 ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Steve Dibb @ 2006-12-13 22:14 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Travis Osterman wrote:
> I needed to unmask ivtv by placing it in my
> /etc/portage/package.keywords as "media-tv/ivtv".  Now I'd like to
> have my system not ask me to ever upgrade it again until the newer
> version is required as a dependency of some other program.
>
> I thought that putting "=media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0" (where 0.9.0 is my
> current version) in /etc/portage/package.mask would be the solution,
> but when I "emerge ivtv -pv" it wants to upgrade to "0.9.1".
>
> I commented out the line in package.keywords thinking maybe if it was
> already installed and masked that portage would ignore it.  The result
> of this was portage wanted to downgrade to the more 'stable' 0.8.x -
> which is also not the desired result.
>
Well, ivtv is a little strange in the sense that each branch is specific 
for a kernel branch.  Technically, you're going to be best off running 
the latest ivtv branch (irregardless of whether its marked stable).   
So, if you are running the 0.9 branch of ivtv, I'd recommend keeping up 
to date with the bugfixes and upgrading to 0.9.1.

If you wanted to do something like that, and make all 0.9.x versions 
"stable" in package.keywords, then you would add this:

=media-tv/ivtv-0.9*

But if you just want to stick with 0.9.0, then what you had before is 
correct.

=media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0

Just make sure there aren't any other entries for ivtv in there.

Steve

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
  2006-12-13 22:14 ` Steve Dibb
@ 2006-12-13 22:46   ` Travis Osterman
  2006-12-13 23:30     ` Neil Bothwick
  2006-12-13 23:55   ` Jason Ausmus
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Travis Osterman @ 2006-12-13 22:46 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

> If you wanted to do something like that, and make all 0.9.x versions
> "stable" in package.keywords, then you would add this:
>
> =media-tv/ivtv-0.9*
>
> But if you just want to stick with 0.9.0, then what you had before is
> correct.
>
> =media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0

Excellent, I put both "=sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.19-r1" and
"=media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0" in my package.keywords and now I can emerge
world without worry.

If either of these versions get unmasked by the developers, am I back
in the same situation of needing to manually mask them to prevent
installation?  At least I know this will work for now.  Thanks.

-- Travis
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
  2006-12-13 21:59 [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords? Travis Osterman
  2006-12-13 22:14 ` Steve Dibb
@ 2006-12-13 22:49 ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
  2006-12-13 23:36   ` [gentoo-user] Re: [FIXED] " Travis Osterman
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Bo Ørsted Andresen @ 2006-12-13 22:49 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Wednesday 13 December 2006 22:59, Travis Osterman wrote:
> I needed to unmask ivtv by placing it in my
> /etc/portage/package.keywords as "media-tv/ivtv".  Now I'd like to
> have my system not ask me to ever upgrade it again until the newer
> version is required as a dependency of some other program.

Why?

> I thought that putting "=media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0" (where 0.9.0 is my
> current version) in /etc/portage/package.mask would be the solution,
> but when I "emerge ivtv -pv" it wants to upgrade to "0.9.1".

You should package.mask the versions you don't want. Not the version you do 
want. So ">=media-tv/ivtv-0.9.1" seems to be what you're looking for. 
Or ">media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0"...

> I commented out the line in package.keywords thinking maybe if it was
> already installed and masked that portage would ignore it.  The result
> of this was portage wanted to downgrade to the more 'stable' 0.8.x -
> which is also not the desired result.

Of course you can also just put "=media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0" in package.keywords. 
That will work until the 0.9 branch gets stabilised. Of course
"~media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0" may be preferred since you may want bugfixes like 
media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0-r1, media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0-r2 etc. if such ever gets 
realeased in the tree...

> Is there a way to not upgrade to 0.9.1 without emerge'ing ivtv with
> the '-1' option or using package.provided (as it seems to circumvent
> portage's dependency checking)?  Thanks.

Using package.provided is a *really* bad idea! It will bite you eventually...

This is all documented in `man portage` and the handbook...

-- 
Bo Andresen

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
  2006-12-13 22:46   ` Travis Osterman
@ 2006-12-13 23:30     ` Neil Bothwick
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2006-12-13 23:30 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 17:46:40 -0500, Travis Osterman wrote:

> Excellent, I put both "=sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.19-r1" and
> "=media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0" in my package.keywords and now I can emerge
> world without worry.

You are probably better off with "~sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.19"
which will allow upgrades to -r1, -r2 etc but not to 2.6.20. tat way you
will keep up with security and bug fixes without changing the kernel
version.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Electricians DO IT until it Hz...

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* [gentoo-user] Re: [FIXED] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
  2006-12-13 22:49 ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
@ 2006-12-13 23:36   ` Travis Osterman
  2006-12-14  3:10     ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Travis Osterman @ 2006-12-13 23:36 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On 12/13/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 December 2006 22:59, Travis Osterman wrote:
> > I needed to unmask ivtv by placing it in my
> > /etc/portage/package.keywords as "media-tv/ivtv".  Now I'd like to
> > have my system not ask me to ever upgrade it again until the newer
> > version is required as a dependency of some other program.
>
> Why?

I tend not to upgrade for long periods on this box once it works and
when I do upgrade generally it is only one or two programs.  Those
programs, however, have many dependencies and portage tends to want to
update everything.  I'm trying to protect myself from myself in a year
running emerge some-app-with-new-feature and breaking ivtv because
there is a new kernel version which needs a new ivtv version, etc.

> You should package.mask the versions you don't want. Not the version you do
> want. So ">=media-tv/ivtv-0.9.1" seems to be what you're looking for.
> Or ">media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0"...

That was my thought too, based on the manual, but an entry (without a
version) in package.keywords takes precident over package.mask (which
I did not know).  After adding your suggestion to package.mask
(">=sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.19-r2" and ">=media-tv/ivtv-0.9.1")
in addition to "~sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.19" and
"=media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0" in package.keywords, I tried emerge -pv itvt
and got the results I wanted ... nothing (even though version 0.9.1 is
out there).  Now I am also confident that when these packages go
stable, they will be masked on my system ... perfect.

> Using package.provided is a *really* bad idea! It will bite you eventually...
> This is all documented in `man portage` and the handbook...

Yes, from what I've read avoiding package.provided is a good practice.
 Thank you Steve Neil, and Bo, I have achieved what I aimed for.

-- Travis

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* RE: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
  2006-12-13 22:14 ` Steve Dibb
  2006-12-13 22:46   ` Travis Osterman
@ 2006-12-13 23:55   ` Jason Ausmus
  2006-12-14  0:45     ` Neil Bothwick
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Jason Ausmus @ 2006-12-13 23:55 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Dibb [mailto:beandog@gentoo.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 2:14 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
> 
> Travis Osterman wrote:

<snip>

> Technically, you're going 
> to be best off running 
> the latest ivtv branch (irregardless of whether its marked stable).   

<snip>

Sorry, but "irregardless" != English word

I'm not trying to deputize myself as a grammar police officer, but I'm
powerless to resist this one...

-
Jason

Do grammar police have K-9 units?

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
  2006-12-13 23:55   ` Jason Ausmus
@ 2006-12-14  0:45     ` Neil Bothwick
  2006-12-14 12:13       ` Mick
  2006-12-14 21:24       ` Jason Ausmus
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2006-12-14  0:45 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:55:52 -0800, Jason Ausmus wrote:

> > the latest ivtv branch (irregardless of whether its marked
> > stable).     
> 
> <snip>
> 
> Sorry, but "irregardless" != English word
> 
> I'm not trying to deputize myself as a grammar police officer, but I'm
> powerless to resist this one...

Try harder - irregardless is in the Oxford English Dictionary. it's
listed as an Americanism, a blend of irrespective and regardless.

You may not consider it good English (and neither do I) but it is an
English word.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Borg, James Borg. Vodka martini, Gin is irrelevant.

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [FIXED] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
  2006-12-13 23:36   ` [gentoo-user] Re: [FIXED] " Travis Osterman
@ 2006-12-14  3:10     ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
  2006-12-14  3:32       ` Travis Osterman
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Bo Ørsted Andresen @ 2006-12-14  3:10 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Thursday 14 December 2006 00:36, Travis Osterman wrote:
> > > I needed to unmask ivtv by placing it in my
> > > /etc/portage/package.keywords as "media-tv/ivtv".  Now I'd like to
> > > have my system not ask me to ever upgrade it again until the newer
> > > version is required as a dependency of some other program.
> >
> > Why?
>
> I tend not to upgrade for long periods on this box once it works and
> when I do upgrade generally it is only one or two programs.

That's sort of my point. If you don't want to upgrade ivtv then why run emerge 
ivtv...

> Those programs, however, have many dependencies and portage tends to want to
> update everything. 
[SNIP]

Now my guess is that you want a newer version of some pkg like say mythtv 
which has a direct dependency on ivtv and hence you run e.g. `emerge -u 
mythtv`. That indeed would upgrade ivtv because -u updates direct 
dependencies. If instead you ran it without -u it would not upgrade ivtv 
since the newer version isn't actually required according to the ebuild...

> > You should package.mask the versions you don't want. Not the version you
> > do want. So ">=media-tv/ivtv-0.9.1" seems to be what you're looking for.
> > Or ">media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0"...
>
> That was my thought too, based on the manual, but an entry (without a
> version) in package.keywords takes precident over package.mask (which
> I did not know).
[SNIP]

Hmm... If you put ~media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0 in both package.mask and 
package.keywords then you will find that ~media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0 cannot be 
installed because it is "masked by: package.mask". Hence I would say that 
package.mask takes precedence over package.keywords... I suppose what you 
wanted to say was that a package can be "masked by: ~arch keyword" without 
being in package.mask and hence won't be installed because it's masked by 
something...

-- 
Bo Andresen

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [FIXED] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
  2006-12-14  3:10     ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
@ 2006-12-14  3:32       ` Travis Osterman
  2006-12-14  8:54         ` Neil Bothwick
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Travis Osterman @ 2006-12-14  3:32 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

> [SNIP]
>
> Hmm... If you put ~media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0 in both package.mask and
> package.keywords then you will find that ~media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0 cannot be
> installed because it is "masked by: package.mask". Hence I would say that
> package.mask takes precedence over package.keywords... I suppose what you
> wanted to say was that a package can be "masked by: ~arch keyword" without
> being in package.mask and hence won't be installed because it's masked by
> something...

I was speaking more of the following situation:

# cat /etc/portage/package.keywords | grep ivtv
media-tv/ivtv
# cat /etc/portage/package.mask | grep ivtv
~media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0
# emerge -pv ivtv
[ebuild  N    ] media-tv/ivtv-0.9.1

But I see you are correct with this:

# cat /etc/portage/package.keywords | grep ivtv
~media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0
# cat /etc/portage/package.mask | grep ivtv
~media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0
# emerge -pv ivtv
[ebuild  N    ] media-tv/ivtv-0.8.0

I guess I learned a few new things today.  Thanks for all the information.

-- Travis
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [FIXED] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
  2006-12-14  3:32       ` Travis Osterman
@ 2006-12-14  8:54         ` Neil Bothwick
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2006-12-14  8:54 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 22:32:35 -0500, Travis Osterman wrote:

> # cat /etc/portage/package.keywords | grep ivtv
> media-tv/ivtv
> # cat /etc/portage/package.mask | grep ivtv
> ~media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0
> # emerge -pv ivtv
> [ebuild  N    ] media-tv/ivtv-0.9.1

Here you are unkeyword-masking all versions and masking 0.9.0, so portage
picks the highest version that matches, which is 0.9.1.

> # cat /etc/portage/package.keywords | grep ivtv
> ~media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0
> # cat /etc/portage/package.mask | grep ivtv
> ~media-tv/ivtv-0.9.0
> # emerge -pv ivtv
> [ebuild  N    ] media-tv/ivtv-0.8.0

Now you are both unkeyword-masking and unmasking 0.9.0 but 0.9.1 is
already keyword masked, so the best match is 0.8.0.

keyword masking and package masking are considered separately, so although
0.9.0 may match on ACCEPT_KEYWORDS, it is still package masked.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

The people who are wrapped up in themselves are overdressed.

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
  2006-12-14  0:45     ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2006-12-14 12:13       ` Mick
  2006-12-14 13:33         ` Neil Bothwick
  2006-12-14 21:24       ` Jason Ausmus
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2006-12-14 12:13 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Thursday 14 December 2006 00:45, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:55:52 -0800, Jason Ausmus wrote:
> > > the latest ivtv branch (irregardless of whether its marked
> > > stable).
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Sorry, but "irregardless" != English word
> >
> > I'm not trying to deputize myself as a grammar police officer, but I'm
> > powerless to resist this one...
>
> Try harder - irregardless is in the Oxford English Dictionary. it's
> listed as an Americanism, a blend of irrespective and regardless.
>
> You may not consider it good English (and neither do I) but it is an
> English word.

I guess that's a bit like the infamous "cake-walk" phrase in reference to the 
TV announcements made at the time of the recent Iraq invasion?  It left me 
wondering whether they intended to say "piece of cake" or "a walk in the 
park".  I guess they were also probably thinking "to have their cake and eat 
it", but that's not what they said.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
  2006-12-14 12:13       ` Mick
@ 2006-12-14 13:33         ` Neil Bothwick
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2006-12-14 13:33 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:13:31 +0000, Mick wrote:

> I guess that's a bit like the infamous "cake-walk" phrase in reference
> to the TV announcements made at the time of the recent Iraq invasion?
> It left me wondering whether they intended to say "piece of cake" or "a
> walk in the park".  I guess they were also probably thinking "to have
> their cake and eat it", but that's not what they said.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cakewalk

But now we're getting even more OT than the meeces :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Top Oxymorons Number 39: Almost exactly

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* RE: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
  2006-12-14  0:45     ` Neil Bothwick
  2006-12-14 12:13       ` Mick
@ 2006-12-14 21:24       ` Jason Ausmus
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Jason Ausmus @ 2006-12-14 21:24 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:neil@digimed.co.uk] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 4:46 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
> 
> On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 15:55:52 -0800, Jason Ausmus wrote:
> 
> > > the latest ivtv branch (irregardless of whether its marked
> > > stable).     
> > 
> > <snip>
> > 
> > Sorry, but "irregardless" != English word
> > 
> > I'm not trying to deputize myself as a grammar police 
> officer, but I'm 
> > powerless to resist this one...
> 
> Try harder - irregardless is in the Oxford English 
> Dictionary. it's listed as an Americanism, a blend of 
> irrespective and regardless.
> 
> You may not consider it good English (and neither do I) but 
> it is an English word.
> 
> 
> --
> Neil Bothwick
> 
> Borg, James Borg. Vodka martini, Gin is irrelevant.
> 

I stand corrected and disembadged. ;)  Sorry about that...

>From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardless :

"Usage Note: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be
correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in
nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the
early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being
an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical
absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a
single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different
from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been
considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so. "

--
Jason

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* Re: [gentoo-user] Protecting a package in package.keywords?
  2006-12-15 21:30 FW: [gentoo-user] " Jason Ausmus
@ 2006-12-15 22:39 ` Neil Bothwick
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2006-12-15 22:39 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:30:43 -0800, Jason Ausmus wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CTI Corporativo [mailto:cticorporativo@fibertel.com.ar] 

> Am I the only person getting these emails?

No, and we're both going to get another one now. You get one each time you
post to the list - think of it as a confirmation that your mail has got
through :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

...Advert for restaurant:
  "Exotic foods for all occasions. Police balls a speciality."

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