From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OslY1-0002Pn-CQ for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 23:56:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 377BCE0982; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 23:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com (mail-iw0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1727BE0982 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 23:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so6106415iwn.40 for ; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:55:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gqege19by/bZadTEmHPkfLrfsgzpt3WQWzNQjm403u4=; b=KtOqAI0UvtXNGOybAblOTkDIWTOqxUZUlePPR5nJtgrHhD+TwGj4AH4V2ZkdGRNVPa lcQsclLDeq10s/6ycQPUcYYTEUXvmBMR7MCGku5hU7zCGDEFqj4cMoWmuzLICqEXIL2l pSk9YkfWhglZqzGT8IsEQjWSFW1GT+MPNI3nU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=OUpYXyMgSK8ZnKU2VGgPQJGS3vk+WgLg2GfWc0eDkWG7NV7TjJljhF0NyMfMeQi24w vknWEgon5b99O0U7Mo0iIeJXiNzCeToYeOtMdqceKa+a7peuoXed8w0GNc3rnOwd+WcT hLLsw6/7/k2x17RJFykT6otbxRHuy+wiD2O5o= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.59.13 with SMTP id j13mr7032356ibh.77.1283817351658; Mon, 06 Sep 2010 16:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.37.138 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Sep 2010 16:55:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C856E60.1040608@gmail.com> References: <4C856E60.1040608@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 01:55:51 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant From: Al To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: c242133b-3eeb-432d-b272-2bb8e4dfe1a1 X-Archives-Hash: 1e6d7087b7d19533d54240354f8165ff Jake it is a pity when well working systems are replaced by systems that are less good. But the high cultures of the ancient world also have been replaced by dark medieval times and italien restaurants are beeing replaced by burger burners (here in Europe). > Why say that "lists are dead early"? =A0This list I find takes a certain > amount of maintenance to keep up-to-date, otherwise it grows to an > unmanageable number of e-mails in my Inbox. =A0If anything, it's "too Well that is the first advantage of a newsreader. It does not spam your mailbox. You select yourself what you want to read by the header. The other contents are never delivered to you, eat up neither traffic nor space. People don't really need to complain of to much traffic. > alive" with too much communication, it's nowhere near dead. =A0That's not > to say I'm complaining about the amount of mail this list generates; I'm > just saying that it's certainly not dead. Here people in fact complain about to much mail. Usually you should be able to anser frankly: "Use a news reader". In a mailinglist you can't. Instead here people get made a bad conscience when they are posting or discussing. That I consider rather contraproductive. That drives people to IRC with the result of a big loss of living documentation and a split within the community. > > Everyone's got their preference; some like mailing lists and come here. > Others like forums and go there. =A0Still others prefer IRC. > > Also, a quick Google search of "gentoo newsgroup" showed me > alt.os.linux.gentoo, and that it's been posted to as recently as less > than a month ago. =A0What's wrong with that newsgroup? 1.) It's not even officially anounced on gentoo.org 2.) It is not on a public available gentoo server. I first would need access to alt.os.linux.gentoo. 3.) It is not synchronized with the mailing list. 4.) The leaders of the community don't support it. How should it work then? Just because it has gentoo in it's name? > > And I, for one at least, use Thunderbird to read my e-mail; the > interface is pretty much the same for mail and news. =A0A little > configuration change and I'd be using news. =A0But I like the mailing > list, not newsgroups. =A0(shrug) Right for a thunderbird user there is no real difference at all. He is already "advanced". Probably one should say less retarded. Saying this I currently write from google web on windows. But the reason is, that I try to port Gentoo to Cygwin. I still think a newsserver should be the backbone of a good community. Mail and forums should be additional doors for those which are brought up in the world of windows and google. Best they are fully synchronized and it is the same database. Al