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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here!
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Top posting for maximum notice:
As the OP, I'd like to know if anybody else has noticed how far OT this
thread has gone?
Somebody please give it a meaningful title, and maybe the right people will
notice your
thread....
++ kevin
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org> wrote:
> Whoops, sorry for the other posting. Suddenly this mail got sent, and some
> empty kmail windows opened. Probably due to this effect I sometimes
> experience: The last keypress gets repeated all over the time, and when I
> move the mouse over other windows weird things may happen. Pressing keys
> like Ctrl-Alt-Shift stops it after a while.
>
>
> Mick writes:
>
> > Before you read specific answers below, you may want to check:
> >
> > $ echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
> > /usr/local/share:/usr/share
> >
> > in your logs is shows:
> >
> > Environment variable XDG_DATA_DIRS is set to
> > '/usr/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share'
> >
> > Why is /usr/share in there twice? Could this mess things up?
>
> Seems to be normal, I also have this with a fresh setup.
>
> > On 17 June 2010 00:23, Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org> wrote:
> > [snip ...]
> >
> > > Mick wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote:
>
> > > But: There are errors when akonadi is starting up during login. I
> > > think it did not do this when I wrote the last mail, but probably
> > > this is the problem now for the migration does not work. I attached
> > > the error parts of the log.
> >
> > Can you run /etc/init.d/dbus restart before you try again? Your
> > akonadi log complains about dbus (amidst other things).
>
> This service is running - I think KDM did not even come up when I had it
> off once. This must be some KDE-internal dbus error.
>
>
> > > And I looked for your posting, and searched all of my gentoo-user
> > > archive, but somehow I did not find it. If you think it would help
> > > in my case, and if you still have it at hand, it would be nice if
> > > you could direct me to it (the subject would be enough).
> >
> > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/224044
>
> Thanks! Now I remember reading it.
>
>
> > >>> I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error
> > >>> message in English, but then I found out that I only have to
> > >>> restart kontact. Fine, now I want to add a contact. First, when I
> > >>> want to edit the location, the country is set to Afghanistan, I
> > >>> always have to change this to Germany.
> > >>> Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for
> > >>> Afghans perhaps.
> > >>
> > >> Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Germany?
> > >
> > > Yes, it's set like that.
> >
> > Have you set up your local timezone in /etc/conf.d/clock, in case this
> > affects it?
>
> It's set correctly. I'd guess Afghanistan ist simpy the first entry in the
> list of countries, and no one bothered to make the user's country default.
> Or do you have another default?
>
>
> > > - Strigi indexes some directory over and over again and again and
> > > again and again. And again and again. Then it crashes, and when I
> > > re-activate it, it indexes the folder again and again and again. And
> > > so on.
> >
> > You may want to switch off strigi in systemsettings?
>
> That's what I do. But still I'd like to use those desktop indexing
> features.
>
> > BTW, have you tried removing ~/.kde4 and then login into KDE afresh?
>
> Boy, do I hate to do this. Getting all the settings back takes so much
> work. But now I did it anyways. It took me several hours, and still not
> everying is back as it was, but at least I have I cleaner setup now.
> This desktop activity stuff is a mess to set up. I have 8 desktops for
> different things I do, each one with its own activity. That is, those KDE
> plasmoids appear on that desktop only, not on every one. But while you can
> send a window to any desktop easily, moving a plasmoid from one activity
> to another does not seem to be possible. When I accidentally selected
> Enlightenment-KDE instead of Enlightenment, KDE4 started up with
> Enlightenment as window manager, which messed up the location of each
> desktop. I had to edit stuff in .kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-
> appletsrc by hand to correct this.
>
>
> Impressions:
>
> Some things are indeed fixed.
>
> - Konqueror now respects the setting that it should ask before closing a
> window with multiple tabs.
>
> - Dolphin no longer opens maximized.
>
> - Ark no longer opens the home directory with dolphin when extracting
> files.
>
> - And Akonadi starts without errors! Except for the last login, when again
> no resource agents were found. Did not happen again (yet).
>
> KDE4 Problems that still happen:
>
> - Strigi scans already indexed files, then crashes. Repeats a cuple of
> times, then exits. Syslog shows sefgaults in nepomukservices.
>
> - Dolphin FTP does not work with Umlauts. And I have to enter the password
> twice.
>
> - Konsole profiles have to be activated in the profile dialog before they
> show up in the menu.
>
> - Kmail did not save this e-mail, I lost my edits when my whole system
> just crashed. Now I wonder what _this_ was.
>
> - Sessions are often saved incorrectly. Then some konquerors are missing,
> a dolphin is on the wrong desktop.
>
> - At session startup, konqueror always complains it dies unexpectedly and
> offers to restore the session, unless I close every instance before
> logout.
>
> - This session restore of konquereror works sometimes, and sometimes not.
> And all konqueror windows it opens belong to the same process, so when one
> window dies, all die.
>
> - No automatic spell checking in kmail. And no English language to select,
> only German.
>
> - When the desktop is locked, the password dialog sometimes does not
> accept the password. It is all lowercase letters, letter position
> independent of keyboard layout. Switching to a text console and back
> helped. Oh, did I already mention that sometimes when switching back into
> graphics mode, I get an empty screen, and have to reboot then?
>
> - Under heavy load, when switching to a locked desktop, it sometimes takes
> quite a while until it blanks and the password dialog appears. In the
> meantime, it probably cannot be used, but at least everything is clearly
> visible.
>
> - Trying to move a plasmoid from the panel onto the desktops crashes
> plasma.
>
> - This plasma stuff has its problems. Sometimes plasmoids have the wrong
> position, or refuse to be dragged or changed in size (they return to the
> former state after the operation).
>
> - I thought it was gone... but then again the mouse only worked in parts
> of the active window. When I close it via keyboard, the next active
> windows becomes partially responsive to the mouse. I have to log out then.
>
> - KDE4 eats A LOT of memory. I have about 30 tabs open in konquerors, this
> alone is 1 GB after a while. And X is not much less.
>
> - nspluginviewer processes often eat a lot of CPU power. So I frequently
> kill them with killall nspluginviewer, I have a little button for this
> purpose in the panel. And system loads gets much lower. It's still quite
> high, though.
>
> - I'm sure I forgot some.
>
> Other frequent problems:
>
> - This repeating key problem I mentioned. And sometimes I have some sort
> of caps lock feature, but for Ctrl or Alt. I can remove it by pressing all
> those meta keys at once.
>
> - After using the fullscreen mode of VMware, modifier keys like alt, shift
> and ctrl stopped working, except inside an NX session I had also running.
>
> - Starting a specific program that ready 1.5 GB of data just made the
> system hang for two times. The Magic SysRq stuff worked, although I did
> not get out of graphics mode, so I had to reboot.
>
> - Suspending to RAM does not work at all.
>
> - Hibernating with TuxOnIce works sometimes, but sometimes resuming stops
> with some "Opening LUKS. Killed." message, or the suspend image is ignored
> and a normal boot happens.
>
> - I have a Radeon HD 3200. I tried the radeon drivers instead of ati-
> drivers (fglrx), but did not get acceleration ([dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion
> failed (libdri too old)). But thats's still be best result I ever got with
> tose drivers. I removed the blocking ati-drivers and updated to xorg 1.8,
> then radeon worked with acceleration. But when I move the mouse onto the
> panel in KDE4, X dies instantly without anything in syslog except for a 'X
> server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly' message.
>
> - mplayer sometimes play videos with colors totally messed up, like if
> some parameter like brightness or gamme was set realyl really high, so
> sometimes nothing at all can be seen.
>
> Wonko
>
>
--
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD
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Top posting for maximum notice:<br><br>As the OP, I'd like to know if a=
nybody else has noticed how far OT this thread has gone?<br>Somebody please=
give it a meaningful title, and maybe the right people will notice your<br=
>
thread....<br><br>++ kevin<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 19=
, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Alex Schuster <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:wo=
nko@wonkology.org">wonko@wonkology.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px=
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Whoops, sorry for the other posting. Suddenly this mail got sent, and some<=
br>
empty kmail windows opened. Probably due to this effect I sometimes<br>
experience: The last keypress gets repeated all over the time, and when I<b=
r>
move the mouse over other windows weird things may happen. Pressing keys<br=
>
like Ctrl-Alt-Shift stops it after a while.<br>
<br>
<br>
Mick writes:<br>
<br>
> Before you read specific answers below, you may want to check:<br>
><br>
> $ echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS<br>
> /usr/local/share:/usr/share<br>
><br>
> in your logs is shows:<br>
><br>
> Environment variable XDG_DATA_DIRS is set to<br>
> '/usr/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share'<br>
><br>
> Why is /usr/share in there twice? =A0Could this mess things up?<br>
<br>
Seems to be normal, I also have this with a fresh setup.<br>
<br>
> On 17 June 2010 00:23, Alex Schuster <<a href=3D"mailto:wonko@wonko=
logy.org">wonko@wonkology.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> [snip ...]<br>
><br>
> > Mick wrote:<br>
> >> On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote:<br>
<br>
> > But: There are errors when akonadi is starting up during login. I=
<br>
> > think it did not do this when I wrote the last mail, but probably=
<br>
> > this is the problem now for the migration does not work. I attach=
ed<br>
> > the error parts of the log.<br>
><br>
> Can you run /etc/init.d/dbus restart before you try again? =A0Your<br>
> akonadi log complains about dbus (amidst other things).<br>
<br>
This service is running - I think KDM did not even come up when I had it<br=
>
off once. This must be some KDE-internal dbus error.<br>
<br>
<br>
> > And I looked for your posting, and searched all of my gentoo-user=
<br>
> > archive, but somehow I did not find it. If you think it would hel=
p<br>
> > in my case, and if you still have it at hand, it would be nice if=
<br>
> > you could direct me to it (the subject would be enough).<br>
><br>
> <a href=3D"http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/224044" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/224044</a>=
<br>
<br>
Thanks! Now I remember reading it.<br>
<br>
<br>
> >>> I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the e=
rror<br>
> >>> message in English, but then I found out that I only have=
to<br>
> >>> restart kontact. Fine, now I want to add a contact. First=
, when I<br>
> >>> want to edit the location, the country is set to Afghanis=
tan, I<br>
> >>> always have to change this to Germany.<br>
> >>> Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, =
except for<br>
> >>> Afghans perhaps.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Ger=
many?<br>
> ><br>
> > Yes, it's set like that.<br>
><br>
> Have you set up your local timezone in /etc/conf.d/clock, in case this=
<br>
> affects it?<br>
<br>
It's set correctly. I'd guess Afghanistan ist simpy the first entry=
in the<br>
list of countries, and no one bothered to make the user's country defau=
lt.<br>
Or do you have another default?<br>
<br>
<br>
> > - Strigi indexes some directory over and over again and again and=
<br>
> > again and again. And again and again. Then it crashes, and when I=
<br>
> > re-activate it, it indexes the folder again and again and again. =
And<br>
> > so on.<br>
><br>
> You may want to switch off strigi in systemsettings?<br>
<br>
That's what I do. But still I'd like to use those desktop indexing<=
br>
features.<br>
<br>
> BTW, have you tried removing ~/.kde4 and then login into KDE afresh?<b=
r>
<br>
Boy, do I hate to do this. Getting all the settings back takes so much<br>
work. But now I did it anyways. It took me several hours, and still not<br>
everying is back as it was, but at least I have I cleaner setup now.<br>
This desktop activity stuff is a mess to set up. I have 8 desktops for<br>
different things I do, each one with its own activity. That is, those KDE<b=
r>
plasmoids appear on that desktop only, not on every one. But while you can<=
br>
send a window to any desktop easily, moving a plasmoid from one activity<br=
>
to another does not seem to be possible. When I accidentally selected<br>
Enlightenment-KDE instead of Enlightenment, KDE4 started up with<br>
Enlightenment as window manager, which messed up the location of each<br>
desktop. I had to edit stuff in .kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-<br>
appletsrc by hand to correct this.<br>
<br>
<br>
Impressions:<br>
<br>
Some things are indeed fixed.<br>
<br>
- Konqueror now respects the setting that it should ask before closing a<br=
>
window with multiple tabs.<br>
<br>
- Dolphin no longer opens maximized.<br>
<br>
- Ark no longer opens the home directory with dolphin when extracting<br>
files.<br>
<br>
- And Akonadi starts without errors! Except for the last login, when again<=
br>
no resource agents were found. Did not happen again (yet).<br>
<br>
KDE4 Problems that still happen:<br>
<br>
- Strigi scans already indexed files, then crashes. Repeats a cuple of<br>
times, then exits. Syslog shows sefgaults in nepomukservices.<br>
<br>
- Dolphin FTP does not work with Umlauts. And I have to enter the password<=
br>
twice.<br>
<br>
- Konsole profiles have to be activated in the profile dialog before they<b=
r>
show up in the menu.<br>
<br>
- Kmail did not save this e-mail, I lost my edits when my whole system<br>
just crashed. Now I wonder what _this_ was.<br>
<br>
- Sessions are often saved incorrectly. Then some konquerors are missing,<b=
r>
a dolphin is on the wrong desktop.<br>
<br>
- At session startup, konqueror always complains it dies unexpectedly and<b=
r>
offers to restore the session, unless I close every instance before<br>
logout.<br>
<br>
- This session restore of konquereror works sometimes, and sometimes not.<b=
r>
And all konqueror windows it opens belong to the same process, so when one<=
br>
window dies, all die.<br>
<br>
- No automatic spell checking in kmail. And no English language to select,<=
br>
only German.<br>
<br>
- When the desktop is locked, the password dialog sometimes does not<br>
accept the password. It is all lowercase letters, letter position<br>
independent of keyboard layout. Switching to a text console and back<br>
helped. Oh, did I already mention that sometimes when switching back into<b=
r>
graphics mode, I get an empty screen, and have to reboot then?<br>
<br>
- Under heavy load, when switching to a locked desktop, it sometimes takes<=
br>
quite a while until it blanks and the password dialog appears. In the<br>
meantime, it probably cannot be used, but at least everything is clearly<br=
>
visible.<br>
<br>
- Trying to move a plasmoid from the panel onto the desktops crashes<br>
plasma.<br>
<br>
- This plasma stuff has its problems. Sometimes plasmoids have the wrong<br=
>
position, or refuse to be dragged or changed in size (they return to the<br=
>
former state after the operation).<br>
<br>
- I thought it was gone... but then again the mouse only worked in parts<br=
>
of the active window. When I close it via keyboard, the next active<br>
windows becomes partially responsive to the mouse. I have to log out then.<=
br>
<br>
- KDE4 eats A LOT of memory. I have about 30 tabs open in konquerors, this<=
br>
alone is 1 GB after a while. And X is not much less.<br>
<br>
- nspluginviewer processes often eat a lot of CPU power. So I frequently<br=
>
kill them with killall nspluginviewer, I have a little button for this<br>
purpose in the panel. And system loads gets much lower. It's still quit=
e<br>
high, though.<br>
<br>
- I'm sure I forgot some.<br>
<br>
Other frequent problems:<br>
<br>
- This repeating key problem I mentioned. And sometimes I have some sort<br=
>
of caps lock feature, but for Ctrl or Alt. I can remove it by pressing all<=
br>
those meta keys at once.<br>
<br>
- After using the fullscreen mode of VMware, modifier keys like alt, shift<=
br>
and ctrl stopped working, except inside an NX session I had also running.<b=
r>
<br>
- Starting a specific program that ready 1.5 GB of data just made the<br>
system hang for two times. The Magic SysRq stuff worked, although I did<br>
not get out of graphics mode, so I had to reboot.<br>
<br>
- Suspending to RAM does not work at all.<br>
<br>
- Hibernating with TuxOnIce works sometimes, but sometimes resuming stops<b=
r>
with some "Opening LUKS. Killed." message, or the suspend image i=
s ignored<br>
and a normal boot happens.<br>
<br>
- I have a Radeon HD 3200. I tried the radeon drivers instead of ati-<br>
drivers (fglrx), but did not get acceleration ([dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion<br=
>
failed (libdri too old)). But thats's still be best result I ever got w=
ith<br>
tose drivers. I removed the blocking ati-drivers and updated to xorg 1.8,<b=
r>
then radeon worked with acceleration. But when I move the mouse onto the<br=
>
panel in KDE4, X dies instantly without anything in syslog except for a =
9;X<br>
server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly' message.<br>
<br>
- mplayer sometimes play videos with colors totally messed up, like if<br>
some parameter like brightness or gamme was set realyl really high, so<br>
sometimes nothing at all can be seen.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Wonko<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Kevin O'Gorman, PhD=
<br><br>
--0016361e890e42d9d50489782c79--