From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OQN3j-0007uS-UT for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2010 16:07:49 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 13A04E0832 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2010 16:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com (mail-vw0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C185E0938 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2010 15:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws8 with SMTP id 8so460946vws.40 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2010 08:52:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=j8gVl2YKRMtUaDmrxZivqdXFgy0OJ0WKKmOWCTMevfg=; b=NYdkdbmHiCneoC17wuChQIbc2sDKNHrl4NLeXpl5eyXcHaKMQyJoUw5ftvmWrorNQU io+MeXkcef4jj6MfbEE0Jg9hVSqCkv22/C5UpNp/FZKS48KvFNKQV5eA1HAqVkTfBXoh U7zyTY7HqEdi8ukSUypjZHpdPcKV8ymbmZk1o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=uxMbLJrraeWmDhP2c/i6uXX80F2Bz99d4P+zAUjuvNYbMAK5lJzmRldXpsEGGhlKHA JxoNPwGC7NvS/9ZefyZuErQuxeKu67UU3ktR5sLYxx4PE/Jvz5+64O9rml/Vw0sHm0Vi RM1O3M8wGoM0f4hBmlDa94fqXOWxDeWUU78E4= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.189.67 with SMTP id dd3mr1908706qcb.189.1277049138501; Sun, 20 Jun 2010 08:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.211.210 with HTTP; Sun, 20 Jun 2010 08:52:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201006192223.42383.wonko@wonkology.org> References: <201006192223.42383.wonko@wonkology.org> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 08:52:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] KDE? Get me out of here! From: "Kevin O'Gorman" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016361e890e42d9d50489782c79 X-Archives-Salt: 56c34d1f-f4a3-48d0-94ed-e17ba137ac61 X-Archives-Hash: 8267de7aee16af471197e6d3fcef7ab5 --0016361e890e42d9d50489782c79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Top posting for maximum notice: As the OP, I'd like to know if anybody else has noticed how far OT this thread has gone? Somebody please give it a meaningful title, and maybe the right people will notice your thread.... ++ kevin On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Alex Schuster wrote: > Whoops, sorry for the other posting. Suddenly this mail got sent, and some > empty kmail windows opened. Probably due to this effect I sometimes > experience: The last keypress gets repeated all over the time, and when I > move the mouse over other windows weird things may happen. Pressing keys > like Ctrl-Alt-Shift stops it after a while. > > > Mick writes: > > > Before you read specific answers below, you may want to check: > > > > $ echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS > > /usr/local/share:/usr/share > > > > in your logs is shows: > > > > Environment variable XDG_DATA_DIRS is set to > > '/usr/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share' > > > > Why is /usr/share in there twice? Could this mess things up? > > Seems to be normal, I also have this with a fresh setup. > > > On 17 June 2010 00:23, Alex Schuster wrote: > > [snip ...] > > > > > Mick wrote: > > >> On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote: > > > > But: There are errors when akonadi is starting up during login. I > > > think it did not do this when I wrote the last mail, but probably > > > this is the problem now for the migration does not work. I attached > > > the error parts of the log. > > > > Can you run /etc/init.d/dbus restart before you try again? Your > > akonadi log complains about dbus (amidst other things). > > This service is running - I think KDM did not even come up when I had it > off once. This must be some KDE-internal dbus error. > > > > > And I looked for your posting, and searched all of my gentoo-user > > > archive, but somehow I did not find it. If you think it would help > > > in my case, and if you still have it at hand, it would be nice if > > > you could direct me to it (the subject would be enough). > > > > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/224044 > > Thanks! Now I remember reading it. > > > > >>> I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the error > > >>> message in English, but then I found out that I only have to > > >>> restart kontact. Fine, now I want to add a contact. First, when I > > >>> want to edit the location, the country is set to Afghanistan, I > > >>> always have to change this to Germany. > > >>> Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, except for > > >>> Afghans perhaps. > > >> > > >> Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Germany? > > > > > > Yes, it's set like that. > > > > Have you set up your local timezone in /etc/conf.d/clock, in case this > > affects it? > > It's set correctly. I'd guess Afghanistan ist simpy the first entry in the > list of countries, and no one bothered to make the user's country default. > Or do you have another default? > > > > > - Strigi indexes some directory over and over again and again and > > > again and again. And again and again. Then it crashes, and when I > > > re-activate it, it indexes the folder again and again and again. And > > > so on. > > > > You may want to switch off strigi in systemsettings? > > That's what I do. But still I'd like to use those desktop indexing > features. > > > BTW, have you tried removing ~/.kde4 and then login into KDE afresh? > > Boy, do I hate to do this. Getting all the settings back takes so much > work. But now I did it anyways. It took me several hours, and still not > everying is back as it was, but at least I have I cleaner setup now. > This desktop activity stuff is a mess to set up. I have 8 desktops for > different things I do, each one with its own activity. That is, those KDE > plasmoids appear on that desktop only, not on every one. But while you can > send a window to any desktop easily, moving a plasmoid from one activity > to another does not seem to be possible. When I accidentally selected > Enlightenment-KDE instead of Enlightenment, KDE4 started up with > Enlightenment as window manager, which messed up the location of each > desktop. I had to edit stuff in .kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop- > appletsrc by hand to correct this. > > > Impressions: > > Some things are indeed fixed. > > - Konqueror now respects the setting that it should ask before closing a > window with multiple tabs. > > - Dolphin no longer opens maximized. > > - Ark no longer opens the home directory with dolphin when extracting > files. > > - And Akonadi starts without errors! Except for the last login, when again > no resource agents were found. Did not happen again (yet). > > KDE4 Problems that still happen: > > - Strigi scans already indexed files, then crashes. Repeats a cuple of > times, then exits. Syslog shows sefgaults in nepomukservices. > > - Dolphin FTP does not work with Umlauts. And I have to enter the password > twice. > > - Konsole profiles have to be activated in the profile dialog before they > show up in the menu. > > - Kmail did not save this e-mail, I lost my edits when my whole system > just crashed. Now I wonder what _this_ was. > > - Sessions are often saved incorrectly. Then some konquerors are missing, > a dolphin is on the wrong desktop. > > - At session startup, konqueror always complains it dies unexpectedly and > offers to restore the session, unless I close every instance before > logout. > > - This session restore of konquereror works sometimes, and sometimes not. > And all konqueror windows it opens belong to the same process, so when one > window dies, all die. > > - No automatic spell checking in kmail. And no English language to select, > only German. > > - When the desktop is locked, the password dialog sometimes does not > accept the password. It is all lowercase letters, letter position > independent of keyboard layout. Switching to a text console and back > helped. Oh, did I already mention that sometimes when switching back into > graphics mode, I get an empty screen, and have to reboot then? > > - Under heavy load, when switching to a locked desktop, it sometimes takes > quite a while until it blanks and the password dialog appears. In the > meantime, it probably cannot be used, but at least everything is clearly > visible. > > - Trying to move a plasmoid from the panel onto the desktops crashes > plasma. > > - This plasma stuff has its problems. Sometimes plasmoids have the wrong > position, or refuse to be dragged or changed in size (they return to the > former state after the operation). > > - I thought it was gone... but then again the mouse only worked in parts > of the active window. When I close it via keyboard, the next active > windows becomes partially responsive to the mouse. I have to log out then. > > - KDE4 eats A LOT of memory. I have about 30 tabs open in konquerors, this > alone is 1 GB after a while. And X is not much less. > > - nspluginviewer processes often eat a lot of CPU power. So I frequently > kill them with killall nspluginviewer, I have a little button for this > purpose in the panel. And system loads gets much lower. It's still quite > high, though. > > - I'm sure I forgot some. > > Other frequent problems: > > - This repeating key problem I mentioned. And sometimes I have some sort > of caps lock feature, but for Ctrl or Alt. I can remove it by pressing all > those meta keys at once. > > - After using the fullscreen mode of VMware, modifier keys like alt, shift > and ctrl stopped working, except inside an NX session I had also running. > > - Starting a specific program that ready 1.5 GB of data just made the > system hang for two times. The Magic SysRq stuff worked, although I did > not get out of graphics mode, so I had to reboot. > > - Suspending to RAM does not work at all. > > - Hibernating with TuxOnIce works sometimes, but sometimes resuming stops > with some "Opening LUKS. Killed." message, or the suspend image is ignored > and a normal boot happens. > > - I have a Radeon HD 3200. I tried the radeon drivers instead of ati- > drivers (fglrx), but did not get acceleration ([dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion > failed (libdri too old)). But thats's still be best result I ever got with > tose drivers. I removed the blocking ati-drivers and updated to xorg 1.8, > then radeon worked with acceleration. But when I move the mouse onto the > panel in KDE4, X dies instantly without anything in syslog except for a 'X > server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly' message. > > - mplayer sometimes play videos with colors totally messed up, like if > some parameter like brightness or gamme was set realyl really high, so > sometimes nothing at all can be seen. > > Wonko > > -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD --0016361e890e42d9d50489782c79 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Top posting for maximum notice:

As the OP, I'd like to know if a= nybody else has noticed how far OT this thread has gone?
Somebody please= give it a meaningful title, and maybe the right people will notice your thread....

++ kevin

On Sat, Jun 19= , 2010 at 1:23 PM, Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org> wrote:
Whoops, sorry for the other posting. Suddenly this mail got sent, and some<= br> empty kmail windows opened. Probably due to this effect I sometimes
experience: The last keypress gets repeated all over the time, and when I move the mouse over other windows weird things may happen. Pressing keys like Ctrl-Alt-Shift stops it after a while.


Mick writes:

> Before you read specific answers below, you may want to check:
>
> $ echo $XDG_DATA_DIRS
> /usr/local/share:/usr/share
>
> in your logs is shows:
>
> Environment variable XDG_DATA_DIRS is set to
> '/usr/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share'
>
> Why is /usr/share in there twice? =A0Could this mess things up?

Seems to be normal, I also have this with a fresh setup.

> On 17 June 2010 00:23, Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org> wrote:
> [snip ...]
>
> > Mick wrote:
> >> On Tuesday 09 March 2010 20:12:09 Alex Schuster wrote:

> > But: There are errors when akonadi is starting up during login. I=
> > think it did not do this when I wrote the last mail, but probably=
> > this is the problem now for the migration does not work. I attach= ed
> > the error parts of the log.
>
> Can you run /etc/init.d/dbus restart before you try again? =A0Your
> akonadi log complains about dbus (amidst other things).

This service is running - I think KDM did not even come up when I had it off once. This must be some KDE-internal dbus error.


> > And I looked for your posting, and searched all of my gentoo-user=
> > archive, but somehow I did not find it. If you think it would hel= p
> > in my case, and if you still have it at hand, it would be nice if=
> > you could direct me to it (the subject would be enough).
>
> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/224044=

Thanks! Now I remember reading it.


> >>> I tried to figure out what this was, and how to get the e= rror
> >>> message in English, but then I found out that I only have= to
> >>> restart kontact. Fine, now I want to add a contact. First= , when I
> >>> want to edit the location, the country is set to Afghanis= tan, I
> >>> always have to change this to Germany.
> >>> Annoying, why is this so, who would want this behaviour, = except for
> >>> Afghans perhaps.
> >>
> >> Have you tried to set up your locale in systemsettings to Ger= many?
> >
> > Yes, it's set like that.
>
> Have you set up your local timezone in /etc/conf.d/clock, in case this=
> affects it?

It's set correctly. I'd guess Afghanistan ist simpy the first entry= in the
list of countries, and no one bothered to make the user's country defau= lt.
Or do you have another default?


> > - Strigi indexes some directory over and over again and again and=
> > again and again. And again and again. Then it crashes, and when I=
> > re-activate it, it indexes the folder again and again and again. = And
> > so on.
>
> You may want to switch off strigi in systemsettings?

That's what I do. But still I'd like to use those desktop indexing<= br> features.

> BTW, have you tried removing ~/.kde4 and then login into KDE afresh?
Boy, do I hate to do this. Getting all the settings back takes so much
work. But now I did it anyways. It took me several hours, and still not
everying is back as it was, but at least I have I cleaner setup now.
This desktop activity stuff is a mess to set up. I have 8 desktops for
different things I do, each one with its own activity. That is, those KDE plasmoids appear on that desktop only, not on every one. But while you can<= br> send a window to any desktop easily, moving a plasmoid from one activity to another does not seem to be possible. When I accidentally selected
Enlightenment-KDE instead of Enlightenment, KDE4 started up with
Enlightenment as window manager, which messed up the location of each
desktop. I had to edit stuff in .kde4/share/config/plasma-desktop-
appletsrc by hand to correct this.


Impressions:

Some things are indeed fixed.

- Konqueror now respects the setting that it should ask before closing a window with multiple tabs.

- Dolphin no longer opens maximized.

- Ark no longer opens the home directory with dolphin when extracting
files.

- And Akonadi starts without errors! Except for the last login, when again<= br> no resource agents were found. Did not happen again (yet).

KDE4 Problems that still happen:

- Strigi scans already indexed files, then crashes. Repeats a cuple of
times, then exits. Syslog shows sefgaults in nepomukservices.

- Dolphin FTP does not work with Umlauts. And I have to enter the password<= br> twice.

- Konsole profiles have to be activated in the profile dialog before they show up in the menu.

- Kmail did not save this e-mail, I lost my edits when my whole system
just crashed. Now I wonder what _this_ was.

- Sessions are often saved incorrectly. Then some konquerors are missing, a dolphin is on the wrong desktop.

- At session startup, konqueror always complains it dies unexpectedly and offers to restore the session, unless I close every instance before
logout.

- This session restore of konquereror works sometimes, and sometimes not. And all konqueror windows it opens belong to the same process, so when one<= br> window dies, all die.

- No automatic spell checking in kmail. And no English language to select,<= br> only German.

- When the desktop is locked, the password dialog sometimes does not
accept the password. It is all lowercase letters, letter position
independent of keyboard layout. Switching to a text console and back
helped. Oh, did I already mention that sometimes when switching back into graphics mode, I get an empty screen, and have to reboot then?

- Under heavy load, when switching to a locked desktop, it sometimes takes<= br> quite a while until it blanks and the password dialog appears. In the
meantime, it probably cannot be used, but at least everything is clearly visible.

- Trying to move a plasmoid from the panel onto the desktops crashes
plasma.

- This plasma stuff has its problems. Sometimes plasmoids have the wrong position, or refuse to be dragged or changed in size (they return to the former state after the operation).

- I thought it was gone... but then again the mouse only worked in parts of the active window. When I close it via keyboard, the next active
windows becomes partially responsive to the mouse. I have to log out then.<= br>
- KDE4 eats A LOT of memory. I have about 30 tabs open in konquerors, this<= br> alone is 1 GB after a while. And X is not much less.

- nspluginviewer processes often eat a lot of CPU power. So I frequently kill them with killall nspluginviewer, I have a little button for this
purpose in the panel. And system loads gets much lower. It's still quit= e
high, though.

- I'm sure I forgot some.

Other frequent problems:

- This repeating key problem I mentioned. And sometimes I have some sort of caps lock feature, but for Ctrl or Alt. I can remove it by pressing all<= br> those meta keys at once.

- After using the fullscreen mode of VMware, modifier keys like alt, shift<= br> and ctrl stopped working, except inside an NX session I had also running.
- Starting a specific program that ready 1.5 GB of data just made the
system hang for two times. The Magic SysRq stuff worked, although I did
not get out of graphics mode, so I had to reboot.

- Suspending to RAM does not work at all.

- Hibernating with TuxOnIce works sometimes, but sometimes resuming stops with some "Opening LUKS. Killed." message, or the suspend image i= s ignored
and a normal boot happens.

- I have a Radeon HD 3200. I tried the radeon drivers instead of ati-
drivers (fglrx), but did not get acceleration ([dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed (libdri too old)). But thats's still be best result I ever got w= ith
tose drivers. I removed the blocking ati-drivers and updated to xorg 1.8, then radeon worked with acceleration. But when I move the mouse onto the panel in KDE4, X dies instantly without anything in syslog except for a = 9;X
server for display :0 terminated unexpectedly' message.

- mplayer sometimes play videos with colors totally messed up, like if
some parameter like brightness or gamme was set realyl really high, so
sometimes nothing at all can be seen.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Wonko




--
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD=

--0016361e890e42d9d50489782c79--