From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OoLjW-0004Z3-1j for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:34:02 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D6B47E09FD; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f53.google.com (mail-qw0-f53.google.com [209.85.216.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B210EE09FD for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 19:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwe5 with SMTP id 5so965512qwe.40 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:33:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=yhHRdAWTXpiHLxv12dLk4gpLG9EppW3pblUHecz2v+A=; b=X4pByoAnS6vlXkozgd+ajs0AVtpYNDZCjtsYVuhfeOB0dPCkmBcsbzj8UVqjTagZ4H oKDOyogmx1XVPFyZteNBEpc2R6GHgFFfInKwRvStqefGa2Ec90sGvo3bF1Z4OPWX2GDx ksrNLaJDju9vBoUkeKQCmg5g4jWjycCePvsZY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=m2XJ2KUKCys3lcyXLW0psIVh5pjNT9ZuaAtmTgCvMhNRsKcMFij57NXCTDUr+iVyHR 8kAnYrY0qie1qh3UxL4qUTrRaDqjRjvkkXQKp7QDFXTFHrqEDSDwXW+4vj5JGvT5/nwF MLQ0W3lrYypT1hNz/iNlC1IiPxlH6jE0YpP/I= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.81.85 with SMTP id w21mr6417427qck.148.1282764814271; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.228.194 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:33:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C75270A.3090909@gmail.com> References: <4C75270A.3090909@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:33:32 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Feckless xdm not much of a manager From: "Kevin O'Gorman" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d97715c7cf048eaaf5c0 X-Archives-Salt: edd4fb7c-1cd6-4a16-939e-6e14ad8277af X-Archives-Hash: cd2c28115a512adb26c3065aade10b1c --00163646d97715c7cf048eaaf5c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Bill Longman wrote: > On 08/24/2010 08:36 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote: > > In order to make progress on this thing, it's useful to be able to > > control the display manager. My problem has been that going to > /etc/init.d > > and commanding "./xdm stop" seems to work, but has no effect on KDE. > > Manually killing kde (ps -ef | grep kde, etc) just starts another one. > > I finally figured out that I have to find the 'kdm' process and kill > > that, then a logoff or Ctl_Alt_BS actually gets rid of X, so I can do > > things like > > "X -configure" and so on. > > You ~should~ be able to log onto a console vty by using Ctrl-Alt-Fn > (where n=1-6). You can then log on from there and commence all manner of > Gentacular shelly goodness. > > There's really no need to kill the display manager ever. In fact, you > can have more than one running at a time. > > > Oddly, "./xdm start" worked fine, and was responsible for kdm being > > started. But isn't it odd that the display "manager" has such weak > > control on its "subordinate"? Big PITA for me. > > Yeah, that's just a semantic problem, really. The generic term is "xdm" > but depending upon your setup, you can plug in any display manager. > Sorry, but that has several bits of misinformation. There are 2 or three activities that the system refuses to perform while the display is active. They require X to be shut down, and you must therefore use one of the non-X console ptys. "xdm" is not a generic term, or at least I didn't mean it that way. It's the package x11-apps/xdm. Look it up. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD --00163646d97715c7cf048eaaf5c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Bill Longman <bill.longman@= gmail.com> wrote:
On 08/24/2010 08:36 PM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> In order to make progress on this thing, it's useful to be able to=
> control the display manager. =A0My problem has been that going to /etc= /init.d
> and commanding "./xdm stop" seems to work, but has no effect= on KDE.
> Manually killing kde (ps -ef | grep kde, etc) just starts another one.=
> I finally figured out that I have to find the 'kdm' process an= d kill
> that, then a logoff or Ctl_Alt_BS actually gets rid of X, so I can do<= br> > things like
> "X -configure" and so on.

You ~should~ be able to log onto a console vty by using Ctrl-Alt-Fn (where n=3D1-6). You can then log on from there and commence all manner of<= br> Gentacular shelly goodness.

There's really no need to kill the display manager ever. In fact, you can have more than one running at a time.

> Oddly, "./xdm start" worked fine, and was responsible for kd= m being
> started. =A0 But isn't it odd that the display "manager"= has such weak
> control on its "subordinate"? =A0Big PITA for me.

Yeah, that's just a semantic problem, really. The generic term is= "xdm"
but depending upon your setup, you can plug in any display manager.

Sorry, but that has several bits of misinformation.
There are 2 or three activities that the system refuses to perform while = the display is
active.=A0 They require X to be shut down, and you must therefore use one o= f the non-X
console ptys.

"xdm" is not a generic term, = or at least I didn't mean it that way. It's the package x11-apps/xd= m.

Look it up.

--
Kevin O'Gorman, PhD

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