From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OsuNR-0004kH-Nf for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 09:22:06 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 463B7E06EE; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iw0-f181.google.com (mail-iw0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBE5E06EE for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwn39 with SMTP id 39so6652588iwn.40 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 02:21:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=dpdCU5j8AaqYRuusFKlB0CLsA/8ojC2w14ZW99ysqtk=; b=QJ2SNU1/+fG1jjxeI0DLYH8+g4lzcO1tB9z5Bw/JZ71ileV5WwR4tqJklgdpsy8TJi qVrATHgV/NGE7DYpDGQuP8cEI57A0pnsAPTBMrXe/ItjSxC8a4korUDrrVfM/OfbaqR+ WFsFGSvgUclqf9iNXp4CSJxvF0GWtg5l5Ah34= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=reDi4vln5Si3BuUFRBSSBdJoxsIDMMzZ5XZGmvUeLlRdW54++zmaIZYbUCXN38e3Cc L4he0q4VUcQQ9Y4RFRonF7LMsluOaN6WI6pZw+pD6QuC4bYQiTwksF029PQmejXGYdtG xJwaYZ5c6WyKQ3dV1GzWQaMJCHxGyJ17C8Rlo= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.149.207 with SMTP id u15mr7804715ibv.13.1283851296228; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 02:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.37.138 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 02:21:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C859A97.3030005@gmail.com> References: <4C856E60.1040608@gmail.com> <4C859A97.3030005@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:21:36 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoos community communication rant From: Al To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: e25736cf-26d6-4a94-8a6a-481b6969649a X-Archives-Hash: 1aa376f4c0d713f418135b026714a0d1 > Well, whether the headers are from an IMAP server or an NNTP server, > they're still headers. =A0It's my understanding that Thunderbird only point 1: Right, if you compare IMAP and NNTP it is similar in this. In NNTP it is the default to only read the header. In mail (IMAP, POP, HTML) it is the default to get it all deliverd. That strongly influences how the community as a whole feels about postings and discussions. It's not only about the single user. > downloads everything in my mail folder because I tell it to. =A0I could > just as easily not tell it to, and only double-click on the messages > that are interesting to me, and simply delete the rest. =A0Since I'm > trying to learn as much as possible about Gentoo (I've only been using > Linux about a year or two), I choose to download it all, cause I'm going > to read it all; I learn a lot from things that I don't even intend to use= . point 2: That is the most important point. In NNTP you can download an read all postings from the past (with or without the body). You can search them, without the use of a search machine, directly from your reader. You don't need to discuss the same question again and again. In mail you can only read the postings from the moment you subscribed. Once you did loose them, your knowlage base is gone. > to give the impression that I'm burdened by the amount of mail > generated; if so, I'd simply unsubscribe. That is the feeling about postings in mail. In NNTP you would not feel this way. You would say that you read fewer of the postings. > 1.) That's a separate discussion, one you'd have to take up with the > Gentoo devs. =A0You can ask if there's interested here, but I would think > that's about as far as this mailing list could go with it. point 3: It would require one strong admin in the developers team, convinced itself of the advantages and with a missionary nature. > 2.) It's been a while since I used newsgroups, but I thought you pointed > your newsreader to a server that had the newsgroup in question, and then > read it from there? =A0If your news server doesn't have that newsgroup, > you should ask for it? =A0Other than that, I can't help; as I said, it's > been a long time since I used it. point 4: You think of those big news providers, that serve many groups. I think of a gentoo owend news server, that only provides the gentoo groups, nothing else. You subscribe directly to that gentoo server, not to the newsserver of your provider. > I didn't say I was "advanced". =A0But are you saying that using a > newsgroup is really that different that using e-mail? =A0You double-click I consider you advance if you use thunderbird and you know to use the options of IMAP. Al