From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1PnTMT-0007DL-NY for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 10:02:57 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 11BB81C010; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 10:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f181.google.com (mail-iy0-f181.google.com [209.85.210.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D99411C010 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 10:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj8 with SMTP id 8so1518390iyj.40 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 02:01:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=couy3QMbKxM3b4b0Qh0ztqKc+v/w3hSrBHa0Pa7dNTw=; b=o5nv2No34JrSPzLEMM0QnywDibOzMmIUL+N0KIkML9Y6ZBZEz+iyqkbtsbr75PjjnM PWn8EmCgWO4NHG3iopaSlDTsURywCWfKDlSQMQOE6VsVKYmNeAkbsUqKYem/EdM1Iw7/ 84SYzIXzvKD7KwV6DT2FaCvbrNDGnTr+bKjjo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZG3R+H1baHrarK2u1j1pcu61TJfpT0mUyd80KhTZa/jGkOnkuHgvQJq+7kKSxbLUxM yXOMJlRSUrbftFJM56XB52aBbWyKMOcVQDTxhws14uoQ7o+ai+vNBl0we9PR1DYPzY97 4kMBq+1sL6jzXnI5K54XMEDfkxSicZcQXox5I= Received: by 10.231.10.193 with SMTP id q1mr22093245ibq.53.1297332064229; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 02:01:04 -0800 (PST) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.152.197 with HTTP; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 02:00:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201102092258.12522.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> References: <4D52A1C1.7040606@gmail.com> <201102092258.12522.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Petri_Rosenstr=C3=B6m?= Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 12:00:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Disk Labels in Handbook To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 5788914359bcd0be76c93ac300f272fc On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Alan McKinnon wr= ote: > Apparently, though unproven, at 16:27 on Wednesday 09 February 2011, Mark > Knecht did opine thusly: > >> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Dale wrote: >> > James wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> So looking at the handbook, I was wondering >> >> why it does not describe how to use Disk Labels >> >> during the installation process. Dunno. >> >> >> >> So I poised this question on gentoo-doc >> >> and got this encouraging response from *JOSH* >> >> >> >> snip >> >> >> >> >> >> James >> > >> > Given that some folks on here have ran into USB drives changing the or= der >> > of partitions, I think this is a good idea. =C2=A0If needed, they coul= d at >> > least introduce the subject then have it link to another page. =C2=A0E= ven if >> > it is the simplest label of using boot, root and such labels and maybe= a >> > mention that there are other ways to accomplish the same thing. >> > >> > I ran into this issue a while back when I added a hard drive and it wa= s >> > not easy to work with. =C2=A0When I boot a CD/DVD, it sees them as hd* >> > instead of sd* so that didn't help since the OS kernel sees them as sd= *. >> > >> > It may be uphill to get this included or at least linked to something >> > else explaining it but I think it is a good idea. =C2=A0I also added m= yself >> > to the bug as well. =C2=A0I saw the post on -doc. >> > >> > Dale >> >> Following Walt's recent thread about his experiences using grub2 I >> think getting folks used to disk labels at installation time, be they >> names or even better UUID's, might fit in very well with installation >> instructions that cover using grub2 instead of grub as a boot loader. > > From a practical perspective, fs labels are easier than GUIDs, so I would > recommend labels. Users can invent their own descriptive labels at instal= l > time and enter that into fstab. > > "LABEL=3DSERVER1-ROOT" is not much more effort than "/dev/sda3" > > GUIDs are another story. They get autogenerated, are invariably displayed= on > the screen along with a huge number of other GUIDs (Murphy) and one has t= o > copy paste the damn things into vi. > > GUIDs are great for ubuntu where an install script does all the heavy lif= ting, > but Gentoo, being a vastly superior operating system, has made the > devastatingly astounding assumption that users are actually able to think= and > type. Whodathunkedit? > > If we expect users to type stuff, we should set it up so they type easy s= tuff > :-) > > -- > alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com > > Hi, If you use vi(m) you don't have to type too much neither. Just use :r!blkid /dev/sda in vi(m) and you have the UUID, with some additional information, but the rest is just vi(m) magic. Best regards Petri