* Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...
2010-10-01 0:37 [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing Darren Kirby
@ 2010-10-01 1:13 ` Bill Kenworthy
2010-10-01 2:17 ` Darren Kirby
2010-10-01 7:58 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-10-01 2:16 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
` (2 subsequent siblings)
3 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Bill Kenworthy @ 2010-10-01 1:13 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Gentoo networking is a bit on the wild side - it doesnt seem to work
nicely with third party tools without a lot of work.
My fix was to manually configure each location (and a couple of general
ones such as wifi hotspot, and basic wired dhcp) as I came across them
and copy the resulting config files to separate directories. Then when
I need to return to a location I just copy the matching set of files
back and restart services. Allows a "profile" based approach based on
site - some need different screen resolutions, apache or bind running,
external projector, firewall settings for VoIP or not and so on - all
able to be scripted.
Very flexible as I control it with a shell script linked to a gtkdialog
for site selection one click to open dialog, second click selects site.
I have decided not to automate site selection (such as netwwork
detection on cable plugin) as I wanted control :)
So my reccomendation is forget networkmanager (particularly that heap
of !#$#%$@) and the like and roll your own.
BillK
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 18:37 -0600, Darren Kirby wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Getting very frustrated here. Trying to put the finishing touches on a
> new laptop install. I have verified using the CLI that both wired and
> wireless networking works fine when I configure manually. As with most
> laptops, I would imagine, I will be switching locations often, and
> switching between several different networks both wired and wireless.
> I thought the thing to do would be to install a slick gui to take care
> of this. To that end I installed NetworkManager, and KNetworkManager
> as a front-end as I use a KDE desktop. As far as I can tell Network
> Manager is working fine, I followed the instructions for setup from
> the wiki here[0] and here[1], and it does seem to setup a wired
> connection on eth0 just fine. However, I am getting an error upon
> trying to start Knetworkmanager:
>
> " KNetworkManager can not start because the installation is misconfigured.
> System DBUS policy does not allow it to provide user settings.
> contact your system administrator or distribution.
> KNetworkManager will not start automatically in future."
>
> Not sure why, as per the wiki I added:
>
> <policy group="plugdev">
> <allow send_destination="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager"/>
>
> <allow send_destination="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager"
> send_interface="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager"/>
> </policy>
>
> to /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf, and added my user to
> plugdev group. Is there something else I'm missing? I'm unsure how to
> further troubleshoot. I also tried the NetworkManager plasmoid for
> kde, but that is just bombing with a bunch off error messages I can't
> read in the 'connections' window.
>
> I am wondering if I should just uninstall KNetworkManager, and try
> nm-applet? Will that even work on a KDE desktop? Will it require
> installing boatloads of gnome crap I don't want? Should I chuck the
> whole works and use Wicd?
>
> At this point I'd be happy with pretty much any solution that just
> works, I've wasted the better half of the day on this and I'm starting
> to think I should just stick to using the CLI...this frustration just
> isn't worth it.
>
> Do any of you folks out there have an easy, simple solution to
> configuring wireless that you like? I'm open to any ideas.
>
> [0] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/NetworkManager
> [1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/KNetworkManager
> --
> Support the mob or mysteriously disappear...
> I'm on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/badcomputer/
>
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2010-10-01 1:13 ` Bill Kenworthy
@ 2010-10-01 2:17 ` Darren Kirby
2010-10-01 3:24 ` Bill Kenworthy
2010-10-01 7:58 ` Neil Bothwick
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Darren Kirby @ 2010-10-01 2:17 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Hey Bill,
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Bill Kenworthy <billk@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Gentoo networking is a bit on the wild side - it doesnt seem to work
> nicely with third party tools without a lot of work.
>
> My fix was to manually configure each location (and a couple of general
> ones such as wifi hotspot, and basic wired dhcp) as I came across them
> and copy the resulting config files to separate directories. Then when
> I need to return to a location I just copy the matching set of files
> back and restart services. Allows a "profile" based approach based on
> site - some need different screen resolutions, apache or bind running,
> external projector, firewall settings for VoIP or not and so on - all
> able to be scripted.
So are you saying you are writing configs in the normal gentoo
/etc/conf.d/net format? Not sure I'm following you here...
> Very flexible as I control it with a shell script linked to a gtkdialog
> for site selection one click to open dialog, second click selects site.
> I have decided not to automate site selection (such as netwwork
> detection on cable plugin) as I wanted control :)
>
> So my reccomendation is forget networkmanager (particularly that heap
> of !#$#%$@) and the like and roll your own.
>
> BillK
>
Yeah...starting to think that myself. I think conf.d/net allows you to
write separate configs based on essid, so perhaps I'll just go with
that. I'm sure I'll be using the same core group of APs a good 80% or
so of the time, it will just be annoying to have to scan and configure
manually the other 20%...
Perhaps I'll give Wicd a shot, if if no joy there just stick to what I
know and do it on the CLI...
Thanks,
D
--
Support the mob or mysteriously disappear...
I'm on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/badcomputer/
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* Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...
2010-10-01 2:17 ` Darren Kirby
@ 2010-10-01 3:24 ` Bill Kenworthy
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Bill Kenworthy @ 2010-10-01 3:24 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
No I am saying create a unique /etc/conf./net, hosts file, bind files,
firewall files (shorewall in my
case), /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and anything else that
has a unique setup per site and put them together in another directory.
I have tried putting everything in the net file in the past but its just
too complex once you get beyond a few sites, and many things wont fit
anyway. Ive learnt that its best to simplify - let each part of the
process do one thing only. You have less failures when you go into a
lecture/demo/site when all eyes are on you :) - and easier to fix
quickly, especially when the local IT services decides to change the
topology/settings without telling you!
Its a lot more complex in my case because of the number and complexity
of sites - VPN's at some, local routing, non-local routing,
private/public addressing, and in one case a site required cisco VPN
over wifi with an OpenVPN running through it to my office connecting
across a private addressed WAN to a asterisk VoIP.
You can do almost anything ...
BillK
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 20:17 -0600, Darren Kirby wrote:
> Hey Bill,
>
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:13 PM, Bill Kenworthy <billk@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> > Gentoo networking is a bit on the wild side - it doesnt seem to work
> > nicely with third party tools without a lot of work.
> >
> > My fix was to manually configure each location (and a couple of general
> > ones such as wifi hotspot, and basic wired dhcp) as I came across them
> > and copy the resulting config files to separate directories. Then when
> > I need to return to a location I just copy the matching set of files
> > back and restart services. Allows a "profile" based approach based on
> > site - some need different screen resolutions, apache or bind running,
> > external projector, firewall settings for VoIP or not and so on - all
> > able to be scripted.
>
> So are you saying you are writing configs in the normal gentoo
> /etc/conf.d/net format? Not sure I'm following you here...
>
> > Very flexible as I control it with a shell script linked to a gtkdialog
> > for site selection one click to open dialog, second click selects site.
> > I have decided not to automate site selection (such as netwwork
> > detection on cable plugin) as I wanted control :)
> >
> > So my reccomendation is forget networkmanager (particularly that heap
> > of !#$#%$@) and the like and roll your own.
> >
> > BillK
> >
>
> Yeah...starting to think that myself. I think conf.d/net allows you to
> write separate configs based on essid, so perhaps I'll just go with
> that. I'm sure I'll be using the same core group of APs a good 80% or
> so of the time, it will just be annoying to have to scan and configure
> manually the other 20%...
>
> Perhaps I'll give Wicd a shot, if if no joy there just stick to what I
> know and do it on the CLI...
>
> Thanks,
>
> D
> --
> Support the mob or mysteriously disappear...
> I'm on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/badcomputer/
>
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* Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...
2010-10-01 1:13 ` Bill Kenworthy
2010-10-01 2:17 ` Darren Kirby
@ 2010-10-01 7:58 ` Neil Bothwick
1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2010-10-01 7:58 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Fri, 01 Oct 2010 09:13:41 +0800, Bill Kenworthy wrote:
> Gentoo networking is a bit on the wild side - it doesnt seem to work
> nicely with third party tools without a lot of work.
Nor should it - you either let baselayout manage the networking
interfaces or another program. Letting two systems fight over control
over the interface is asking for problems.
--
Neil Bothwick
Joystick: (n.) a device essential for performing business tasks and
training exercises esp. favored by pilots, tank commanders, riverboat
gamblers, and medieval warlords.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...
2010-10-01 0:37 [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing Darren Kirby
2010-10-01 1:13 ` Bill Kenworthy
@ 2010-10-01 2:16 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2010-10-01 3:37 ` Darren Kirby
2010-10-01 4:29 ` [gentoo-user] [SOLVED]Re: " Darren Kirby
2010-10-01 5:22 ` [gentoo-user] " Alan McKinnon
3 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Canek Peláez Valdés @ 2010-10-01 2:16 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Darren Kirby <bulliver@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> I am wondering if I should just uninstall KNetworkManager, and try
> nm-applet? Will that even work on a KDE desktop? Will it require
> installing boatloads of gnome crap I don't want? Should I chuck the
> whole works and use Wicd?
I don't know about KNetworkManager, but nm-applet under GNOME works
flawless and without need of any configuration. You just need to
disable the Gentoo network scripts (with RC_PLUG_SERVICES="!net.*" in
/etc/conf.d/rc) and off you go. No need to change any other
configuration file.
As I understand, nm-applet uses the Freedesktop standar for
notification areas, so it should work with KDE. It will pull part of
the GNOME stack, obviously, but is really minimal:
RDEPEND=">=dev-libs/glib-2.16
>=dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.74
>=sys-apps/dbus-1.2
>=x11-libs/gtk+-2.14
>=gnome-base/gconf-2.20
>=gnome-extra/polkit-gnome-0.92
>=x11-libs/libnotify-0.4.3
>=gnome-base/libglade-2
>=gnome-base/gnome-keyring-2.20
>=dev-libs/libnl-1.1
>=net-misc/networkmanager-${PV}
>=net-wireless/wireless-tools-28_pre9
>=net-wireless/wpa_supplicant-0.5.7
net-misc/mobile-broadband-provider-info
bluetooth? ( >=net-wireless/gnome-bluetooth-2.27.6 )"
And probably you already have most of those packages.
I used to have my own scripts and utilities, and back in the day I
knew wpa_supplicant like the palm of my hand. Now not so much; it's
not worth it. The GUI utilities (or at least those from GNOME, which
is my preferred desktop) never really fail any more.
Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Instituto de Matemáticas
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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2010-10-01 2:16 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
@ 2010-10-01 3:37 ` Darren Kirby
0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Darren Kirby @ 2010-10-01 3:37 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Darren Kirby <bulliver@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> I am wondering if I should just uninstall KNetworkManager, and try
>> nm-applet? Will that even work on a KDE desktop? Will it require
>> installing boatloads of gnome crap I don't want? Should I chuck the
>> whole works and use Wicd?
>
> I don't know about KNetworkManager, but nm-applet under GNOME works
> flawless and without need of any configuration. You just need to
> disable the Gentoo network scripts (with RC_PLUG_SERVICES="!net.*" in
> /etc/conf.d/rc) and off you go. No need to change any other
> configuration file.
I did already edit RC_PLUG_SERVICES to override udev...
I guess it works fine without configuration for everyone but me...I get this:
** (nm-applet:24816): WARNING **: <WARN> request_name(): Could not
acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service.
Error: (9) Connection ":1.35" is not allowed to own the service
"org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerUserSettings" due to security policies
in the configuration file
So then I add this:
<policy group="plugdev">
<allow send_destination="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager"/>
<allow send_destination="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager"
send_interface="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager"/>
</policy>
to /etc/dbus-1/system.d/nm-applet.conf but it still doesn't work. I
don't even know if that's right, I know nothing of writing dbus policy
rules. You say you didn't have to configure anything? I don't know,
it says 'WARNING' rather than error, but 'ps' shows no nm-applet
running. Is it just supposed to show up on the panel or what?
> As I understand, nm-applet uses the Freedesktop standar for
> notification areas, so it should work with KDE. It will pull part of
> the GNOME stack, obviously, but is really minimal:
>
> RDEPEND=">=dev-libs/glib-2.16
> >=dev-libs/dbus-glib-0.74
> >=sys-apps/dbus-1.2
> >=x11-libs/gtk+-2.14
> >=gnome-base/gconf-2.20
> >=gnome-extra/polkit-gnome-0.92
> >=x11-libs/libnotify-0.4.3
> >=gnome-base/libglade-2
> >=gnome-base/gnome-keyring-2.20
>
> >=dev-libs/libnl-1.1
> >=net-misc/networkmanager-${PV}
> >=net-wireless/wireless-tools-28_pre9
> >=net-wireless/wpa_supplicant-0.5.7
> net-misc/mobile-broadband-provider-info
> bluetooth? ( >=net-wireless/gnome-bluetooth-2.27.6 )"
>
> And probably you already have most of those packages.
Yes, I only had to install 8 new ones.
> I used to have my own scripts and utilities, and back in the day I
> knew wpa_supplicant like the palm of my hand. Now not so much; it's
> not worth it. The GUI utilities (or at least those from GNOME, which
> is my preferred desktop) never really fail any more.
>
> Regards.
> --
> Canek Peláez Valdés
> Instituto de Matemáticas
> Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
>
>
Still frustrated that not a damn thing seems to work,
D
--
--
Support the mob or mysteriously disappear...
I'm on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/badcomputer/
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* [gentoo-user] [SOLVED]Re: NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...
2010-10-01 0:37 [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing Darren Kirby
2010-10-01 1:13 ` Bill Kenworthy
2010-10-01 2:16 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
@ 2010-10-01 4:29 ` Darren Kirby
2010-10-01 5:22 ` [gentoo-user] " Alan McKinnon
3 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Darren Kirby @ 2010-10-01 4:29 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Right, so I uninstalled nm-applet, NetworkManager and all that,
emerged wicd, and bam...everything Just Worked.
Going to stick with wicd for now. Thanks for the replys all...
D
--
Support the mob or mysteriously disappear...
I'm on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/badcomputer/
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* Re: [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing...
2010-10-01 0:37 [gentoo-user] NetworkManager OK? kNetworkManager broken? Wireless setup very confusing Darren Kirby
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2010-10-01 4:29 ` [gentoo-user] [SOLVED]Re: " Darren Kirby
@ 2010-10-01 5:22 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-10-01 5:50 ` Darren Kirby
3 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2010-10-01 5:22 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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Dump NetworkManager.
Use wicd.
All these issues just GoAway(tm) with wicd
> Hello all,
>
> Getting very frustrated here. Trying to put the finishing touches on a
> new laptop install. I have verified using the CLI that both wired and
> wireless networking works fine when I configure manually. As with most
> laptops, I would imagine, I will be switching locations often, and
> switching between several different networks both wired and wireless.
> I thought the thing to do would be to install a slick gui to take care
> of this. To that end I installed NetworkManager, and KNetworkManager
> as a front-end as I use a KDE desktop. As far as I can tell Network
> Manager is working fine, I followed the instructions for setup from
> the wiki here[0] and here[1], and it does seem to setup a wired
> connection on eth0 just fine. However, I am getting an error upon
> trying to start Knetworkmanager:
>
> " KNetworkManager can not start because the installation is misconfigured.
> System DBUS policy does not allow it to provide user settings.
> contact your system administrator or distribution.
> KNetworkManager will not start automatically in future."
>
> Not sure why, as per the wiki I added:
>
> <policy group="plugdev">
> <allow send_destination="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager"/>
>
> <allow send_destination="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager"
> send_interface="org.freedesktop.NetworkManager"/>
> </policy>
>
> to /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf, and added my user to
> plugdev group. Is there something else I'm missing? I'm unsure how to
> further troubleshoot. I also tried the NetworkManager plasmoid for
> kde, but that is just bombing with a bunch off error messages I can't
> read in the 'connections' window.
>
> I am wondering if I should just uninstall KNetworkManager, and try
> nm-applet? Will that even work on a KDE desktop? Will it require
> installing boatloads of gnome crap I don't want? Should I chuck the
> whole works and use Wicd?
>
> At this point I'd be happy with pretty much any solution that just
> works, I've wasted the better half of the day on this and I'm starting
> to think I should just stick to using the CLI...this frustration just
> isn't worth it.
>
> Do any of you folks out there have an easy, simple solution to
> configuring wireless that you like? I'm open to any ideas.
>
> [0] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/NetworkManager
> [1] http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/KNetworkManager
> --
> Support the mob or mysteriously disappear...
> I'm on flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/badcomputer/
>
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