[gentoo-user] Re: Flash Player / Firefox trouble

[gentoo-user] Re: Flash Player / Firefox trouble

[James]

 <meino.cramer <at> gmx.de> writes:



> got some problems here with the Flash Player Plugin and Firefox and
> may other parts.

Well, I was "noodling" around the net about video (VP8) and there
seems to be a war brewing. As you know, Google is has open sourced
VP8 as a replacement for H.264. It seems that the web browser
groups each pay millions of dollars per year to be able to give
away a browser that supports h.264 streaming video.

h.264 is everywhere, cell phone apps, HDTV, utube, just to 
name a few. Now Theora was based on an old codec (vp3) I believe.
Google purchased the company that developed VP8 and purports
it to replace h.264.


Naturally MPLA (the stinking lawyers behind h.246) is upset
because the financial rewards of the the patents behind h.264
are worth an enormous sum of money, over the next few decades.
VP8 is not threating that. If you saw my post on Nokia and Microsoft
going down the darkside together (very strange), what I did not
say is that Balmer is pushing the bussword "EcoSystem" composed
of Xbox-live, Office and Bing.

Google has that and more.   Apple has their own "EcoSystem".

Many Browsers will be dropping support for h.264 in the near 
future, and streaming video, at least in the short run,
is now fair game and going to be not interoperable.

Is this your problem? Maybe, maybe not. Drop back a version
and see if it fixes your problem.

Better still, one of the young (smart) kids on this list
prolly (guesses?) knows all about this. If it is not your
problem now, it surely will be *REAL SOON*; as it will
become everybody's problem as the Economic Giants scratch
out and protect their "video EcoSystems". Stock prices
are more of a concern to these titans, than piss_ants
consumuers (that's what they ALL really see in us). So
do not be fool, Google is as big a whore as the rest, imho.
Google has well intentioned folks, but to quote an old addage
"Money talks and Bullshit walks".......


hth,
James

[gentoo-user] Re: Flash Player / Firefox trouble

[James]

 <meino.cramer <at> gmx.de> writes:


> My system:
> nVidia Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1) built by MSI (PCIe)
> ASUS Crosshair IV Formula
> Phenom X6 1090T

Um, I'm looking for a new system. Who/where did you purchase this system?
Did you get 6G-Sata drivers?

Any one else with a new 6+ processor AMD rig, that got a bargain,
would be keen information (Dale?).


James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash Player / Firefox trouble

[Dale]

James wrote:
>   <meino.cramer<at>  gmx.de>  writes:
>
>
>    
>> My system:
>> nVidia Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1) built by MSI (PCIe)
>> ASUS Crosshair IV Formula
>> Phenom X6 1090T
>>      
> Um, I'm looking for a new system. Who/where did you purchase this system?
> Did you get 6G-Sata drivers?
>
> Any one else with a new 6+ processor AMD rig, that got a bargain,
> would be keen information (Dale?).
>
>
> James
>
>    

Mine is 4 core but 6 core ready.  Just didn't have the extra cash at the 
time.  Mine is a Gigabyte GA-770T-USB3 but you may can find similar with 
6Gbs/sec drives for a bit more, especially on sale.  The rest seems to 
be about the same.  I bought all the electronics at newegg except the 
power supply which I got at Tiger Direct.

One thing, buy two 4Gb sticks of ram off the bat.  They are much faster 
in pairs and no need getting smaller ones when you have to remove them 
to upgrade.  I'm up to 8Gbs with another 8Gbs on the way, hopefully DHL 
won't loose these.

Am I happy with my set up, darn skippy.  Oh, sign up for newegg's 
newsletter and they have great sales at times.  I have had zero luck 
with the rebates tho.  Supposed to be here in 10 weeks and I sent them 
both off before Christmas.  They better hurry.  ;-)

I did look at MSI but decided against it.  It seems that Gigabyte has 
the best rated mobos at this time.  That may change but you know.  We 
live in the moment not the future.

I can get you a full list if you need it.  Oh, total cost for a nice rig 
with new monitor and all, about $1,000 or so.  It is built like a tank tho.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash Player / Firefox trouble

[Elaine C. Sharpe]

In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote:
> <meino.cramer <at> gmx.de> writes:
>
>
>
>> got some problems here with the Flash Player Plugin and Firefox and
>> may other parts.
>
> Well, I was "noodling" around the net about video (VP8) and there
> seems to be a war brewing. As you know, Google is has open sourced
> VP8 as a replacement for H.264. It seems that the web browser
> groups each pay millions of dollars per year to be able to give
> away a browser that supports h.264 streaming video.
>
> h.264 is everywhere, cell phone apps, HDTV, utube, just to 
> name a few. Now Theora was based on an old codec (vp3) I believe.
> Google purchased the company that developed VP8 and purports
> it to replace h.264.
>
>
> Naturally MPLA (the stinking lawyers behind h.246) is upset
> because the financial rewards of the the patents behind h.264
> are worth an enormous sum of money, over the next few decades.
> VP8 is not threating that. If you saw my post on Nokia and Microsoft
> going down the darkside together (very strange), what I did not
> say is that Balmer is pushing the bussword "EcoSystem" composed
> of Xbox-live, Office and Bing.
>
> Google has that and more.   Apple has their own "EcoSystem".
>
> Many Browsers will be dropping support for h.264 in the near 
> future, and streaming video, at least in the short run,
> is now fair game and going to be not interoperable.
>
> Is this your problem? Maybe, maybe not. Drop back a version
> and see if it fixes your problem.
>
> Better still, one of the young (smart) kids on this list
> prolly (guesses?) knows all about this. If it is not your
> problem now, it surely will be *REAL SOON*; as it will
> become everybody's problem as the Economic Giants scratch
> out and protect their "video EcoSystems". Stock prices
> are more of a concern to these titans, than piss_ants
> consumuers (that's what they ALL really see in us). So
> do not be fool, Google is as big a whore as the rest, imho.
> Google has well intentioned folks, but to quote an old addage
> "Money talks and Bullshit walks".......
>
>
> hth,
> James

IME most video on the web can be viewed with mplayer, if you 
can get a link to the actual file. I often download flv files 
and use ffmpeg to reencode them as mp4. Works even for videos 
that the linux flashplayer can't handle.

I do wish netflix would go with something other than silverlight 
though, running win7 in vbox works but I shouldn't have to do all 
that...

-- 
caveat utilitor 
♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ ❤ ♫ 

[gentoo-user] Re: Flash Player / Firefox trouble

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 02/19/2011 11:08 PM, Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:
> [...]
> I do wish netflix would go with something other than silverlight
> though, running win7 in vbox works but I shouldn't have to do all
> that...

Doesn't the Moonlight Firefox add-on work?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash Player / Firefox trouble

[Mark Knecht]

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:
> On 02/19/2011 11:08 PM, Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>> I do wish netflix would go with something other than silverlight
>> though, running win7 in vbox works but I shouldn't have to do all
>> that...
>
> Doesn't the Moonlight Firefox add-on work?

What I've read is that moonlight doesn't handle the Netflix DRM
issues. Does anyone know differently?

I'm still using a Window VM to watch Netflix.

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash Player / Firefox trouble

[Dale]

Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de>  wrote:
>    
>> On 02/19/2011 11:08 PM, Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:
>>      
>>> [...]
>>> I do wish netflix would go with something other than silverlight
>>> though, running win7 in vbox works but I shouldn't have to do all
>>> that...
>>>        
>> Doesn't the Moonlight Firefox add-on work?
>>      
> What I've read is that moonlight doesn't handle the Netflix DRM
> issues. Does anyone know differently?
>
> I'm still using a Window VM to watch Netflix.
>
> - Mark
>
>
>    

I use Firefox and the download manager.  I just download the video and 
watch it with (s)(k)(m)player locally.  That also gives me the option of 
saving them locally and not having to download them again if I want to 
watch them more than once.  I'm sure AT&T likes that part.

So far, I have not had much trouble with doing it this way.  Other than 
the video being lost when changing tabs.  Well, I did have on download 
that failed and only go the first part of the video.  I think my DSL 
modem did its reset thingy.  It does that once a day.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash Player / Firefox trouble

[Mark Knecht]

On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 02/19/2011 11:08 PM, Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>> I do wish netflix would go with something other than silverlight
>>>> though, running win7 in vbox works but I shouldn't have to do all
>>>> that...
>>>>
>>>
>>> Doesn't the Moonlight Firefox add-on work?
>>>
>>
>> What I've read is that moonlight doesn't handle the Netflix DRM
>> issues. Does anyone know differently?
>>
>> I'm still using a Window VM to watch Netflix.
>>
>> - Mark
>>
>>
>>
>
> I use Firefox and the download manager.  I just download the video and watch
> it with (s)(k)(m)player locally.  That also gives me the option of saving
> them locally and not having to download them again if I want to watch them
> more than once.  I'm sure AT&T likes that part.
>
> So far, I have not had much trouble with doing it this way.  Other than the
> video being lost when changing tabs.  Well, I did have on download that
> failed and only go the first part of the video.  I think my DSL modem did
> its reset thingy.  It does that once a day.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>

Where are you finding links on Netflix pages that allows you to start
a movie download? I'm not finding that at all using Firefox. Are you
digging into page source or something?

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Flash Player / Firefox trouble

[Elaine C. Sharpe]

In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 02/19/2011 11:08 PM, Elaine C. Sharpe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>> I do wish netflix would go with something other than silverlight
>>>>> though, running win7 in vbox works but I shouldn't have to do all
>>>>> that...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't the Moonlight Firefox add-on work?
>>>>
>>>
>>> What I've read is that moonlight doesn't handle the Netflix DRM
>>> issues. Does anyone know differently?
>>>
>>> I'm still using a Window VM to watch Netflix.
>>>
>>> - Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I use Firefox and the download manager.  I just download the video and watch
>> it with (s)(k)(m)player locally.  That also gives me the option of saving
>> them locally and not having to download them again if I want to watch them
>> more than once.  I'm sure AT&T likes that part.
>>
>> So far, I have not had much trouble with doing it this way.  Other than the
>> video being lost when changing tabs.  Well, I did have on download that
>> failed and only go the first part of the video.  I think my DSL modem did
>> its reset thingy.  It does that once a day.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>>
>
> Where are you finding links on Netflix pages that allows you to start
> a movie download? I'm not finding that at all using Firefox. Are you
> digging into page source or something?
>
> - Mark

Pretty sure he wasn't referring to netflix.
AFAIK no-one has cracked the DRM on silverlight streams 
yet, and microsoft has no plans to update moonlight.
Ironic that the excuse is "pirates!" -- their restrictive
policy has me downloading things I wouldn't bother with
otherwise, so I suspect the effect is the opposite of
what they intend. Whoever thought, "if it's not available
they'll just have to do without" was truly not very bright.

-- 
caveat utilitor 
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