[gentoo-user] Install Gentoo from a Debian?

[gentoo-user] Install Gentoo from a Debian?

[alex]

 Hi guys,

I want to try install gentoo, but there no blanks or usb, but there i
got a debian(amd64). Can i use this to install gentoo without a doubt?

greetings

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R: [gentoo-user] Install Gentoo from a Debian?

[Davide Carnovale]

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You definitely can. The usual gentoo install is based on the support of
another system, being that gentoo or debian makes no difference as long as
you can chroot at some point.
But i think you might have some problems if you want to install a 32bit
gentoo from a 64bit system. If that's not your case you should be safe...

Il giorno 15/set/2010 13:26, "alex@sourcegarden.de" <alex@sourcegarden.de>
ha scritto:

 Hi guys,

I want to try install gentoo, but there no blanks or usb, but there i
got a debian(amd64). Can i use this to install gentoo without a doubt?

greetings

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Re: R: [gentoo-user] Install Gentoo from a Debian?

[alex]

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 On 09/15/10 13:33, Davide Carnovale wrote:
> You definitely can. The usual gentoo install is based on the support of
> another system, being that gentoo or debian makes no difference as long as
> you can chroot at some point.
> But i think you might have some problems if you want to install a 32bit
> gentoo from a 64bit system. If that's not your case you should be safe...

Great stuff, thanks for fast answere.

Greeting from Germany



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[Davide Carnovale]

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You're welcome! I was just online at the right time =)

Il giorno 15/set/2010 13:40, "alex@sourcegarden.de" <alex@sourcegarden.de>
ha scritto:

On 09/15/10 13:33, Davide Carnovale wrote:
> You definitely can. The usual gentoo install is based o...
Great stuff, thanks for fast answere.

Greeting from Germany




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Re: R: Re: R: [gentoo-user] Install Gentoo from a Debian?

[alex]

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 On 09/15/10 13:46, Davide Carnovale wrote:
> You're welcome! I was just online at the right time =)
>
> Il giorno 15/set/2010 13:40, "alex@sourcegarden.de"
> <alex@sourcegarden.de> ha scritto:
>
> On 09/15/10 13:33, Davide Carnovale wrote:
>> You definitely can. The usual gentoo install is based o...
> Great stuff, thanks for fast answere.
>
> Greeting from Germany
>
>
>
>
What is about grub2 and gentoo? nerver used before and my Debian
already have it. I rember from the last time with ubuntu that i got
problem to boot, becources the option do work correctly.

i got grub2-1.98+20100804-4




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Re: R: Re: R: [gentoo-user] Install Gentoo from a Debian?

[Al]

>>
> What is about grub2 and gentoo? nerver used before and my Debian
> already have it. I rember from the last time with ubuntu that i got
> problem to boot, becources the option do work correctly.
>
> i got grub2-1.98+20100804-4
>

You can control the master boot record only from one partition. If
Debian already has it (and is your main system) I would adapt it
there.

If you install it into experimental Gentoo and break it, you will not
even be able to boot Debian.

Al

Re: R: Re: R: [gentoo-user] Install Gentoo from a Debian?

[alex]

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 On 09/15/10 13:56, Al wrote:
>>>
>> What is about grub2 and gentoo? nerver used before and my Debian
>> already have it. I rember from the last time with ubuntu that i
>> got problem to boot, becources the option do work correctly.
>>
>> i got grub2-1.98+20100804-4
>>
>
> You can control the master boot record only from one partition. If
> Debian already has it (and is your main system) I would adapt it
> there.
>
> If you install it into experimental Gentoo and break it, you will
> not even be able to boot Debian.
>
> Al
>
That's not my question, problem was adding Gentoo to grub2 config, it
was'nt found by grub2-script and not added to the list. But i will see
in a few minutes how it comes.

Greeting


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Re: R: Re: R: [gentoo-user] Install Gentoo from a Debian?

[Al]

>>
> That's not my question, problem was adding Gentoo to grub2 config, it
> was'nt found by grub2-script and not added to the list. But i will see
> in a few minutes how it comes.
>
> Greeting
>

Grub2 is more complex than Grub1. A whole directory of configurations
from which the actual configuration is finally generated. Read some
tutorial here.

Gentoo wasn't detected automatically from Ubuntu. I needed to
configure it manually following the Gentoo handbook.

Al

Re: R: Re: R: [gentoo-user] Install Gentoo from a Debian?

[Nils Larsson]

> That's not my question, problem was adding Gentoo to grub2 config, it
> was'nt found by grub2-script and not added to the list. But i will see
> in a few minutes how it comes.

Grub2 (or os-prober) can't find Gentoo installs. You have to add it manually or 
add a script that generates the Gentoo entry "blindy".

Re: R: Re: R: [gentoo-user] Install Gentoo from a Debian?

[Kacper Kopczyński]

Dnia 2010-09-15, o godz. 13:49:53
"alex@sourcegarden.de" <alex@sourcegarden.de> napisał(a):

>  On 09/15/10 13:46, Davide Carnovale wrote:
> > You're welcome! I was just online at the right time =)
> >
> > Il giorno 15/set/2010 13:40, "alex@sourcegarden.de"
> > <alex@sourcegarden.de> ha scritto:
> >
> > On 09/15/10 13:33, Davide Carnovale wrote:
> >> You definitely can. The usual gentoo install is based o...
> > Great stuff, thanks for fast answere.
> >
> > Greeting from Germany
> >
> >
> >
> >
> What is about grub2 and gentoo? nerver used before and my Debian
> already have it. I rember from the last time with ubuntu that i got
> problem to boot, becources the option do work correctly.
> 
> i got grub2-1.98+20100804-4
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Sourcegarden GmbH HR: B-104357
> Steuernummer: 37/167/21214 USt-ID: DE814784953
> Geschaeftsfuehrer: Mario Scheliga, Rene Otto
> Bank: Deutsche Bank, BLZ: 10070024, KTO: 0810929
> Schoenhauser Allee 55, 10437 Berlin

I suggest you try first on virtual environment before breaking anything
- virtualbox for example...

For creating 32bit gentoo on 64bit debian use /usr/bin/linux32 before
you chroot to gentoo stage root.

So the plan I see is:

1. create gentoo on server (linux32, chroot, compile, emerge -e world,
etc). You can always recompile world with another set of CFLAGS if you
have different machine, so set CGLAGS for generic 686
2. create experimental environment with debian and compiled gentoo in
virtualbox
3. learn about problems (bios, grub, grub2, backup copies)
4. do it :)

good luck

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Re: [gentoo-user] Install Gentoo from a Debian?

[Al]

2010/9/15 alex@sourcegarden.de <alex@sourcegarden.de>:
>  Hi guys,
>
> I want to try install gentoo, but there no blanks or usb, but there i
> got a debian(amd64). Can i use this to install gentoo without a doubt?
>
> greetings

Hello Alex,

I installed it from Ubuntu which is similar to Debian. While doing
that I did rework the german Wiki page not long ago.

http://de.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Installation_von_Gentoo_Linux

It was helpfull for me. Now it should be even more up-to-date.

Al

Re: [gentoo-user] Install Gentoo from a Debian?

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 13:49 on Wednesday 15 September 2010, Al did 
opine thusly:

> 2010/9/15 alex@sourcegarden.de <alex@sourcegarden.de>:
> >  Hi guys,
> > 
> > I want to try install gentoo, but there no blanks or usb, but there i
> > got a debian(amd64). Can i use this to install gentoo without a doubt?
> > 
> > greetings
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> I installed it from Ubuntu which is similar to Debian. While doing
> that I did rework the german Wiki page not long ago.
> 
> http://de.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Installation_von_Gentoo_Linux
> 
> It was helpfull for me. Now it should be even more up-to-date.
> 
> Al


You can even do it from Windows if you feel that way inclined.

All an installer does is write a bunch of files to known names on a disk. It 
does absolutely nothing else. All you'd need Windows to do is:

have a driver for the filesystem you want Gentoo to run on
make valid partitions and filesystems, then write to them
run portage correctly

This is all the installer ever does.
it's also what wubi does.

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