From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-119610-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1PlQ8p-0006bT-Iy for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:12:19 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 07E00E05B1; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f53.google.com (mail-bw0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9586CE05B1 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 18:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwg12 with SMTP id 12so4779538bwg.40 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:10:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=m3T5sr81gAxlgFTwmrchn3DCVKos/vw3Q3n4MXuZbHc=; b=SDF6iuNye+yYLumXeKN7JKDdLmt1W7sOpIPxeAYbmZzQKYOLQ5OiVofhGaVq2k24Ms 5zukkpKSGHtzS3NWxnPUX/aioUw7/wU4zgOv8NYCWhToV3jVyfKra6AnJ1v2H80f2Xk7 dhefjzHY8S11TpeFu7+iMr9Afz9eY6/FRL6MQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=FhSQWoHHIXnPJ4zPmlGquo/FxWqI58bvzaEidqQbIWr2uyjxiXULbN2NeC204ZknQ1 Do6LTCAYK4uKvoELYf+pH9GijmDHh/FoGCJz9oawUDIT/mq9E+3Iid3FcQeHsP5uqV0n fNm4L6y7fPTS+QerGkJZRn0ie+v+TG4ZhjoyI= Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.119.133 with SMTP id z5mr11876137bkq.72.1296843048682; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:10:48 -0800 (PST) Sender: paul.hartman@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.113.7 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:10:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <iifho3$kfn$1@dough.gmane.org> References: <20110203060754.GA3808@waltdnes.org> <iif96c$951$1@dough.gmane.org> <iiffrd$c5e$1@dough.gmane.org> <iifho3$kfn$1@dough.gmane.org> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:10:48 -0600 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NMC9MRooGQCdZRKf2Q_xrKRcWjI Message-ID: <AANLkTi=TnQAzyj7_pJ4jtKTVp_ObXM+L8AT1m0uovmDE@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Any way to get real text console without killing X capability? From: Paul Hartman <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: fa659f6b952724ede26056ce2ec991b6 On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote: > On 02/04/2011 02:05 AM, walt wrote: >> >> On 02/03/2011 02:11 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>> >>> On 02/03/2011 08:07 AM, Walter Dnes wrote: >>>> >>>> Is there a way to have a real text console? I know that I can >>>> have 2 X sessions on tty10 and tty11 with different resolutions, and >>>> colour depths. Is there a way to set tty1..tty9 to 640x480 *IN TEXT >>>> MODE*, so that lat1-?? fonts would look normal, without killing the >>>> ability to have X run at 1920x1200? >>> >>> Note that the suggestion the others gave about disabling KMS is probabl= y >>> not what you need. Disabling KMS means that it will also be disabled fo= r >>> X11, not only for the framebuffer. As you can imagine this is a bad >>> thing. >> >> I'm aware of KMS because of my experiments with the 'nouveau' driver, bu= t >> I still have no idea what KMS really does. >> >> In other words, I *cannot* imagine why disabling KMS is a bad thing, but= I >> would very much like to know :) > > For the radeon driver at least, disabling KMS means that you won't get DR= I2 > in X11. =A0That means slower performance and tearing. =A0The non-KMS X dr= iver is > pretty much considered deprecated. Anecdote: On my laptop, which has a Radeon Mobility 9700 (uses RV350 or RV360), I got 30fps in Sauerbraten using the old non-KMS radeon driver, and only 15fps using the new KMS driver. Enabling gallium on latest mesa improves that to about 18fps, but causes my computer to crash after a few minutes... Both of them are slower than the proprietary ati-drivers used to be, but I stopped using those a long time ago (and they don't support my card anymore anyway).