From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org)
	by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60)
	(envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-119610-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>)
	id 1PlQ8p-0006bT-Iy
	for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 18:12:19 +0000
Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 07E00E05B1;
	Fri,  4 Feb 2011 18:10:49 +0000 (UTC)
Received: from mail-bw0-f53.google.com (mail-bw0-f53.google.com [209.85.214.53])
	by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9586CE05B1
	for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri,  4 Feb 2011 18:10:49 +0000 (UTC)
Received: by bwg12 with SMTP id 12so4779538bwg.40
        for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:10:48 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
        h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date
         :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type
         :content-transfer-encoding;
        bh=m3T5sr81gAxlgFTwmrchn3DCVKos/vw3Q3n4MXuZbHc=;
        b=SDF6iuNye+yYLumXeKN7JKDdLmt1W7sOpIPxeAYbmZzQKYOLQ5OiVofhGaVq2k24Ms
         5zukkpKSGHtzS3NWxnPUX/aioUw7/wU4zgOv8NYCWhToV3jVyfKra6AnJ1v2H80f2Xk7
         dhefjzHY8S11TpeFu7+iMr9Afz9eY6/FRL6MQ=
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws;
        d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
        h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date
         :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type
         :content-transfer-encoding;
        b=FhSQWoHHIXnPJ4zPmlGquo/FxWqI58bvzaEidqQbIWr2uyjxiXULbN2NeC204ZknQ1
         Do6LTCAYK4uKvoELYf+pH9GijmDHh/FoGCJz9oawUDIT/mq9E+3Iid3FcQeHsP5uqV0n
         fNm4L6y7fPTS+QerGkJZRn0ie+v+TG4ZhjoyI=
Precedence: bulk
List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org>
List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org>
X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.204.119.133 with SMTP id z5mr11876137bkq.72.1296843048682;
 Fri, 04 Feb 2011 10:10:48 -0800 (PST)
Sender: paul.hartman@gmail.com
Received: by 10.204.113.7 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:10:48 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <iifho3$kfn$1@dough.gmane.org>
References: <20110203060754.GA3808@waltdnes.org>
	<iif96c$951$1@dough.gmane.org>
	<iiffrd$c5e$1@dough.gmane.org>
	<iifho3$kfn$1@dough.gmane.org>
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:10:48 -0600
X-Google-Sender-Auth: NMC9MRooGQCdZRKf2Q_xrKRcWjI
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=TnQAzyj7_pJ4jtKTVp_ObXM+L8AT1m0uovmDE@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Any way to get real text console without
 killing X capability?
From: Paul Hartman <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Archives-Salt: 
X-Archives-Hash: fa659f6b952724ede26056ce2ec991b6

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:
> On 02/04/2011 02:05 AM, walt wrote:
>>
>> On 02/03/2011 02:11 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>>
>>> On 02/03/2011 08:07 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way to have a real text console? I know that I can
>>>> have 2 X sessions on tty10 and tty11 with different resolutions, and
>>>> colour depths. Is there a way to set tty1..tty9 to 640x480 *IN TEXT
>>>> MODE*, so that lat1-?? fonts would look normal, without killing the
>>>> ability to have X run at 1920x1200?
>>>
>>> Note that the suggestion the others gave about disabling KMS is probabl=
y
>>> not what you need. Disabling KMS means that it will also be disabled fo=
r
>>> X11, not only for the framebuffer. As you can imagine this is a bad
>>> thing.
>>
>> I'm aware of KMS because of my experiments with the 'nouveau' driver, bu=
t
>> I still have no idea what KMS really does.
>>
>> In other words, I *cannot* imagine why disabling KMS is a bad thing, but=
 I
>> would very much like to know :)
>
> For the radeon driver at least, disabling KMS means that you won't get DR=
I2
> in X11. =A0That means slower performance and tearing. =A0The non-KMS X dr=
iver is
> pretty much considered deprecated.

Anecdote: On my laptop, which has a Radeon Mobility 9700 (uses RV350
or RV360), I got 30fps in Sauerbraten using the old non-KMS radeon
driver, and only 15fps using the new KMS driver. Enabling gallium on
latest mesa improves that to about 18fps, but causes my computer to
crash after a few minutes...

Both of them are slower than the proprietary ati-drivers used to be,
but I stopped using those a long time ago (and they don't support my
card anymore anyway).