[gentoo-user] Fwd: Post-Installation Problem

[gentoo-user] Fwd: Post-Installation Problem

[Hunter Jozwiak]

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Hunter Jozwiak <hunter.t.joz@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 12:23:13 -0400
Subject: Post-Installation Problem
To: gentoo-users@lists.gentoo.org

Hi all. I've been working on a Gentoo install for quite some time in
tech class, but I've hit a road block. I compiled a Genkernel, and
that went smooth. However, I tried to emerge espeakup, and I got
errors about how modules weren't enabled. I edited /etc/conf.d/modules
 and added two lines:
modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP"
modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT"
And reemerged the espeakup software; same error message, and on
reboot, no software speech. Am I enabling the modules in an incorrect
manner? If so, how to I get them to work?

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: Post-Installation Problem

[covici]

Hunter Jozwiak <hunter.t.joz@gmail.com> wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Hunter Jozwiak <hunter.t.joz@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 12:23:13 -0400
> Subject: Post-Installation Problem
> To: gentoo-users@lists.gentoo.org
> 
> Hi all. I've been working on a Gentoo install for quite some time in
> tech class, but I've hit a road block. I compiled a Genkernel, and
> that went smooth. However, I tried to emerge espeakup, and I got
> errors about how modules weren't enabled. I edited /etc/conf.d/modules
>  and added two lines:
> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP"
> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT"
> And reemerged the espeakup software; same error message, and on
> reboot, no software speech. Am I enabling the modules in an incorrect
> manner? If so, how to I get them to work?

I don't think those are the correct  module names, you can tell by
looking at your kernel configs to see what speakup modules you have
chosen.  Module names do not usually have config_ at the beginning.


-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

         John Covici
         covici@ccs.covici.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Post-Installation Problem

[Stroller]

On Thu, 8 May 2014, at 5:29 pm, Hunter Jozwiak <hunter.t.joz@gmail.com> wrote:

> …  I compiled a Genkernel, and
> that went smooth. However, I tried to emerge espeakup, and I got
> errors about how modules weren't enabled. I edited /etc/conf.d/modules
> and added two lines:
> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP"
> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT"
> And reemerged the espeakup software; same error message, and on
> reboot, no software speech. Am I enabling the modules in an incorrect
> manner? If so, how to I get them to work?

I'm not familiar with Genkernel - nor Speakup, for that matter - but it sounds like you're talking about _kernel_ modules.

In which case it's your kernel you'd need to recompile, not a userspace package.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Post-Installation Problem

[Stroller]

On Thu, 8 May 2014, at 5:45 pm, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> 
>> …  I edited /etc/conf.d/modules
>> and added two lines:
>> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP"
>> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT"
>> And reemerged the espeakup software; same error message, and on
>> reboot, no software speech. Am I enabling the modules in an incorrect
>> manner? If so, how to I get them to work?
> 
> I don't think those are the correct  module names, you can tell by
> looking at your kernel configs to see what speakup modules you have
> chosen.  Module names do not usually have config_ at the beginning.

I'm not the OP, but this is what I see:

$ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i speak
# Speakup console speech
CONFIG_SPEAKUP=m
CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_ACNTSA=m
CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_ACNTPC=m
CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_APOLLO=m
CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_AUDPTR=m
CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_BNS=m
CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DECTLK=m
CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DECEXT=m
CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DECPC=m
CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DTLK=m
CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_KEYPC=m
CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_LTLK=m
CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT=m
CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SPKOUT=m
CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_TXPRT=m
CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DUMMY=m
$ 


Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Post-Installation Problem

[Hunter Jozwiak]

I'd assume that module is the m part? As for how to recompile the
genkernel, I'll need to look at that, as I ran genkernel all and am
not certain on building self-made kernels.

On 5/8/14, Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 8 May 2014, at 5:45 pm, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:
>>
>>> ...  I edited /etc/conf.d/modules
>>> and added two lines:
>>> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP"
>>> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT"
>>> And reemerged the espeakup software; same error message, and on
>>> reboot, no software speech. Am I enabling the modules in an incorrect
>>> manner? If so, how to I get them to work?
>>
>> I don't think those are the correct  module names, you can tell by
>> looking at your kernel configs to see what speakup modules you have
>> chosen.  Module names do not usually have config_ at the beginning.
>
> I'm not the OP, but this is what I see:
>
> $ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i speak
> # Speakup console speech
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_ACNTSA=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_ACNTPC=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_APOLLO=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_AUDPTR=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_BNS=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DECTLK=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DECEXT=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DECPC=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DTLK=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_KEYPC=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_LTLK=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SPKOUT=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_TXPRT=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DUMMY=m
> $
>
>
> Stroller.
>
>
>

Re: [gentoo-user] Post-Installation Problem

[covici]

Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> On Thu, 8 May 2014, at 5:45 pm, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> > 
> >> …  I edited /etc/conf.d/modules
> >> and added two lines:
> >> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP"
> >> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT"
> >> And reemerged the espeakup software; same error message, and on
> >> reboot, no software speech. Am I enabling the modules in an incorrect
> >> manner? If so, how to I get them to work?
> > 
> > I don't think those are the correct  module names, you can tell by
> > looking at your kernel configs to see what speakup modules you have
> > chosen.  Module names do not usually have config_ at the beginning.
> 
> I'm not the OP, but this is what I see:
> 
> $ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i speak
> # Speakup console speech
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_ACNTSA=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_ACNTPC=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_APOLLO=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_AUDPTR=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_BNS=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DECTLK=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DECEXT=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DECPC=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DTLK=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_KEYPC=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_LTLK=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SPKOUT=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_TXPRT=m
> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DUMMY=m

Sure, but those are not the module names, those are the config
parameters.  If you go into the  make menuconfig it will tell you the
module names in the help for each one, or do a find on /lib/modules and
its the name without the .ko  suffix.

-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

         John Covici
         covici@ccs.covici.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Post-Installation Problem

[Stroller]

Please don't top post on this list: http://www.idallen.com/topposting.html

I've fixed it for you on this occasion, please read below.


On Thu, 8 May 2014, at 6:37 pm, Hunter Jozwiak <hunter.t.joz@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 5/8/14, Stroller <stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 8 May 2014, at 5:45 pm, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> ...  I edited /etc/conf.d/modules
>>>> and added two lines:
>>>> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP"
>>>> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT"
>>>> And reemerged the espeakup software; same error message, and on
>>>> reboot, no software speech. Am I enabling the modules in an incorrect
>>>> manner? If so, how to I get them to work?
>>> 
>>> I don't think those are the correct  module names, you can tell by
>>> looking at your kernel configs to see what speakup modules you have
>>> chosen.  Module names do not usually have config_ at the beginning.
>> 
>> I'm not the OP, but this is what I see:
>> 
>> $ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i speak
>> # Speakup console speech
>> CONFIG_SPEAKUP=m
>> … 
>> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT=m
>> … 
>> $
> 
> I'd assume that module is the m part? As for how to recompile the
> genkernel, I'll need to look at that, as I ran genkernel all and am
> not certain on building self-made kernels.


`zcat /proc/config.gz` shows the configuration of the current kernel (or the configuration with which the current kernel was compiled, I'm not sure).

So the "=m" in the output I've posted shows that on my system, these options are compiled as modules.

Compare with these options which are compiled in statically:

$ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep '=y' | head
CONFIG_GENTOO_LINUX=y
CONFIG_GENTOO_LINUX_UDEV=y
CONFIG_GENTOO_LINUX_INIT_SCRIPT=y
CONFIG_GENTOO_LINUX_INIT_SYSTEMD=y
CONFIG_64BIT=y
CONFIG_X86_64=y
CONFIG_X86=y
CONFIG_INSTRUCTION_DECODER=y
CONFIG_LOCKDEP_SUPPORT=y
CONFIG_STACKTRACE_SUPPORT=y
$ 

If a driver is compiled statically, it is always present in the kernel, and loaded into memory at boot time. 

If a driver is compiled as a module, it is only loaded into memory if and when needed.

This is an incomplete answer for you, because I know nothing about Genkernel.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Post-Installation Problem

[Stroller]

On Thu, 8 May 2014, at 6:55 pm, covici@ccs.covici.com wrote:
>>> ...
>>> I don't think those are the correct  module names, you can tell by
>>> looking at your kernel configs to see what speakup modules you have
>>> chosen.  Module names do not usually have config_ at the beginning.
>> 
>> I'm not the OP, but this is what I see:
>> 
>> $ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i speak
>> # Speakup console speech
>> ...
>> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_LTLK=m
>> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT=m
>> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SPKOUT=m
>> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_TXPRT=m
>> CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_DUMMY=m
> 
> Sure, but those are not the module names, those are the config
> parameters.  If you go into the  make menuconfig it will tell you the
> module names in the help for each one, or do a find on /lib/modules and
> its the name without the .ko  suffix.

Ok, sure.

Does one use `make menuconfig` with Genkernel?

I apologise if I've distracted from the goal of helping Hunter recompile his kernel using this tool.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: Post-Installation Problem

[thegeezer]

On 05/08/2014 05:29 PM, Hunter Jozwiak wrote:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Hunter Jozwiak <hunter.t.joz@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 12:23:13 -0400
> Subject: Post-Installation Problem
> To: gentoo-users@lists.gentoo.org
>
> Hi all. I've been working on a Gentoo install for quite some time in
> tech class, but I've hit a road block. I compiled a Genkernel, and
> that went smooth. However, I tried to emerge espeakup, and I got
> errors about how modules weren't enabled. I edited /etc/conf.d/modules
>  and added two lines:
> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP"
> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT"
> And reemerged the espeakup software; same error message, and on
> reboot, no software speech. Am I enabling the modules in an incorrect
> manner? If so, how to I get them to work?
>


what you need to do is
# genkernel --menuconfig kernel
then make sure that speakup is selected

conf.d/modules is for kernel modules marked "m"
mostly, these are loaded when needed by programs or drivers as required,
but sometimes you want the module loaded in advance -- in that case you
list them in conf.d/modules

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: Post-Installation Problem

[Mick]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: Text/Plain, Size: 1611 bytes --]

On Thursday 08 May 2014 19:42:36 thegeezer wrote:
> On 05/08/2014 05:29 PM, Hunter Jozwiak wrote:
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Hunter Jozwiak <hunter.t.joz@gmail.com>
> > Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 12:23:13 -0400
> > Subject: Post-Installation Problem
> > To: gentoo-users@lists.gentoo.org
> > 
> > Hi all. I've been working on a Gentoo install for quite some time in
> > tech class, but I've hit a road block. I compiled a Genkernel, and
> > that went smooth. However, I tried to emerge espeakup, and I got
> > errors about how modules weren't enabled. I edited /etc/conf.d/modules
> > 
> >  and added two lines:
> > modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP"
> > modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT"
> > And reemerged the espeakup software; same error message, and on
> > reboot, no software speech. Am I enabling the modules in an incorrect
> > manner? If so, how to I get them to work?
> 
> what you need to do is
> # genkernel --menuconfig kernel
> then make sure that speakup is selected
> 
> conf.d/modules is for kernel modules marked "m"
> mostly, these are loaded when needed by programs or drivers as required,
> but sometimes you want the module loaded in advance -- in that case you
> list them in conf.d/modules

To find what you have compiled as a loadable module (rather than built in the 
kernel) have a look at this:

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1&chap=7#doc_chap4

You can also select <help> when you are running --menuconfig, it usually shows 
the correct syntax of the corresponding module name.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

[-- Attachment #2: This is a digitally signed message part. --]
[-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 490 bytes --]

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: Post-Installation Problem

[Hunter Jozwiak]

> On May 8, 2014, at 14:42, thegeezer <thegeezer@thegeezer.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 05/08/2014 05:29 PM, Hunter Jozwiak wrote:
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Hunter Jozwiak <hunter.t.joz@gmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 12:23:13 -0400
>> Subject: Post-Installation Problem
>> To: gentoo-users@lists.gentoo.org
>> 
>> Hi all. I've been working on a Gentoo install for quite some time in
>> tech class, but I've hit a road block. I compiled a Genkernel, and
>> that went smooth. However, I tried to emerge espeakup, and I got
>> errors about how modules weren't enabled. I edited /etc/conf.d/modules
>> and added two lines:
>> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP"
>> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT"
>> And reemerged the espeakup software; same error message, and on
>> reboot, no software speech. Am I enabling the modules in an incorrect
>> manner? If so, how to I get them to work?
> 
> 
> what you need to do is
> # genkernel --menuconfig kernel
> then make sure that speakup is selected
> 
> conf.d/modules is for kernel modules marked "m"
> mostly, these are loaded when needed by programs or drivers as required,
> but sometimes you want the module loaded in advance -- in that case you
> list them in conf.d/modules
> 
After genkernel all? Because I cannot find the module in the menuconfig kernel.

Re: [gentoo-user] Post-Installation Problem

[Stroller]

On Fri, 9 May 2014, at 7:01 pm, Hunter Jozwiak <hunter.t.joz@gmail.com> wrote:
> … After genkernel all? Because I cannot find the module in the menuconfig kernel.

In menuconfig press the forward-slash key ("/"), type "speakup" and press enter.

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: Post-Installation Problem

[Redcap]

On Friday 09 May 2014 14:01:31 Hunter Jozwiak wrote:
> > On May 8, 2014, at 14:42, thegeezer <thegeezer@thegeezer.net> wrote:
> >> On 05/08/2014 05:29 PM, Hunter Jozwiak wrote:
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Hunter Jozwiak <hunter.t.joz@gmail.com>
> >> Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 12:23:13 -0400
> >> Subject: Post-Installation Problem
> >> To: gentoo-users@lists.gentoo.org
> >> 
> >> Hi all. I've been working on a Gentoo install for quite some time in
> >> tech class, but I've hit a road block. I compiled a Genkernel, and
> >> that went smooth. However, I tried to emerge espeakup, and I got
> >> errors about how modules weren't enabled. I edited /etc/conf.d/modules
> >> and added two lines:
> >> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP"
> >> modules="CONFIG_SPEAKUP_SYNTH_SOFT"
> >> And reemerged the espeakup software; same error message, and on
> >> reboot, no software speech. Am I enabling the modules in an incorrect
> >> manner? If so, how to I get them to work?
> > 
> > what you need to do is
> > # genkernel --menuconfig kernel
> > then make sure that speakup is selected
> > 
> > conf.d/modules is for kernel modules marked "m"
> > mostly, these are loaded when needed by programs or drivers as required,
> > but sometimes you want the module loaded in advance -- in that case you
> > list them in conf.d/modules
> 
> After genkernel all? Because I cannot find the module in the menuconfig
> kernel.

Hi there,

I think you are confusing kernel configuration items and kernel modules. E.g., 
CONFIG_SPEAKUP is a kernel configuration item (see 
http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/SPEAKUP.html for its description). There are 
three possibilities for this item.

n: don't include speakup support
y: build speakup support directly into the kernel
m: build speakup support as a module

In the third case, the module's name will be "speakup". This is the name that 
you want to add to /etc/conf.d/modules. 
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=7#doc_chap4 
might also be helpful.

Cheers