* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?
@ 2017-12-13 11:34 99% ` Marc Joliet
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From: Marc Joliet @ 2017-12-13 11:34 UTC (permalink / raw
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Am Sonntag, 10. Dezember 2017, 11:13:30 CET schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
> Hello, Wols
>
> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 09:55:45 +0000, Wols Lists wrote:
[...]
> > Lennart doesn't want a system where a small failure in one place
> > cascades and brings down a load of stuff elsewhere.
>
> Neither do I, and neither does anybody. GNU/Linux is not like that, and
> never has been.
Except where it has, of course. (Seriously, you can't completely avoid
breakage when different, independent groups are responsible for different
components of a complex, intertwined system.)
> It has traditionally been a massive pain to set up,
> though, something which has improved dramatically over the last ten or
> twenty years.
I agree with this, though.
> > Granted he's not necessarily the most politic of people, and has ruffled
> > a lot of feathers, but I'd much rather a system he's cleaned up, than a
> > system where everything hangs together on a knife-edge.
>
> His motivation seems to be ego. To force everybody to use his software.
> He did this by, amongst other things, abusing the trust placed in him to
> maintain udev. Early on he abandoned support for udev for everybody but
> users of his new init system, systemd, in an attempt (sadly successful)
> to force "everybody" into using systemd.
Of course, the previous maintainer of udev fully supported whatever changes
were made, so you're painting a false picture of a potential different
history.
> I've no idea how good systemd is. It's not been through the normal
> process of choice and selection that other successful packages have. It
> was forced on people. But being forced to have a binary system log,
> being forced (so I have heard) to have an http server running, ....,
> doesn't make it an attractive package for me.
*All* of this is "so I have heard". What happened to researching stuff as the
better alternative to speaking out of your ass?
Speaking for myself, I *switched to* systemd fully on my own, and definitely
do *not* regret it. I can't speak for all distros, but all of the ones I know
of switched willingly, because for them (as for me), systemd was the better
choice. You're not against choice, are you ;-) ?
> > Cheers,
> > Wol
Greetings
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Marc Joliet
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