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Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:06:56 -0700
From: Trenton Adams <trenton.d.adams@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update
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First off all, the install process is only a portion of making gentoo
*easier*. At it is kind of a tangent to the original discussion.
But, none the less, it is a good discussion.
On 1/7/06, Holly Bostick <motub@planet.nl> wrote:
> Trenton Adams schreef:
> > Interesting points, but
> >
> > On 1/7/06, Abhay Kedia <abhay.ilugd@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Saturday 07 January 2006 22:00, Trenton Adams wrote:
> >>
> >>> I like both that my car just works, and I don't have to know how
> >>> the pistons go up and down, but that I can also look under the
> >>> hood if I so desire.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Thinking on the wrong lines again and what you want can never
> >> happen, at least with Gentoo; because Gentoo does not give you a
> >> working car at all. It just gives you spare parts (ebuilds &
> >> packages), books to read (documentation) and a tool box (portage).
> >> Then it tells you to go ahead and make your own car. It totally
> >> depends on you whether you want to make it a blazing fast Ferrari
> >> or a classy Limo. To achieve anything of that sorts you *HAVE TO*
> >> know how the pistons go up and down. If you don't read and just put
> >> together the pieces in a random order then you might make a moving
> >> car but it will not be a working one. Moral of the story? To have
> >> full control, you gotta know how things work inside the engine :)
> >
> >
> > Well actually, it could happen. If I had a menu of packages to be
> > installed during some sort of automated install process, then I'm
> > still customizing my system the way I want. So once again, you
> > absolutely *CAN* have gentoo flexibility with easy of install
>
> Just a quick question:
>
> Isn't creating "a menu of packages to be installed" part of the install
> process?
>
> If not, because you did not create this menu yourself, then you are not
> "customizing your system the way you want", but rather choosing the most
> suitable for you amongst a list of pre-defined-- thus, by definition,
> limiting-- options.
Here we go again, who says that you have to limit it to a menu? Give
a menu, but allow a graphical shell during install for those that want
to do extra packages, or whatever. Or, even provide a dynamically
extendable menu that can grab packages lists from other places, from
another CD, floppy, Internet, etc. So, to not provide a menu would be
*limiting* as well. But I do agree with you Holly, that providing
*only* a *predefined* graphical menu for package installation would be
limiting.
Now, I'm just brain storming here...
Wouldn't it be beneficial to provide automated graphical installs for
gentoo, but provide the option to open a graphical shell at *all*
stages of the installation process? Wouldn't that be ultimate
flexibility? I read about the new graphical install for gentoo, and
perhaps it already does this!?!?
>
> If you did create the menu of packages yourself, and it then is (as it
> must be) considered part of the installation process, then isn't the
> installation process no longer "easy", by your definition of "easy"?
Well, this is a side tangent, given my reply just above. None the
less, all of *my* installs from the point after I created my *own*
menu would be easy.
>
> Not quite following the logic here.
>
> Holly
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