From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MPrDN-0006oP-AK for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:03:05 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B19E9E0265; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f220.google.com (mail-gx0-f220.google.com [209.85.217.220]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DF6E0265 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so9770877gxk.10 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:03:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=7Rc32WKYz+RVNEGbA0+iZecUF5kG+RhWOm2Bzz6Hp9k=; b=xJN0UapXRInlblpC+zvzP5+PPBtJ5rEY2W4zCJ3zPidiDlX2UbmF+WtSNsV+SXDSFa d2zfSRWGsfCzkQfEHTjUu5uMhZQ4s5ryfAmcfkryU2exEpUqxN5OTWRPNB5EfL6Pd42Z s4phHBkacN5yovEhWmdCBCMT3LNc2sDcQbv5w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wpsqxSldC839YSiljmvwd2C2s9fTLQF+Y5/9NIYfnjfA7IELTjG+JEMgo3XRPK0es3 SR+DUT/NCXZR6QbVFJ4rdEksGEsI3R6r9zLoHqu4rfY8RNwPVlvmwXURbyLSDUX3epNX UOBmmxL3Y13P8GPsq5vGRx5AXxixmpzycTnyE= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.6.13 with SMTP id 13mr5057954anf.98.1247374983281; Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:03:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090710224631.48511382@dartworks.biz> References: <9acccfe50907092003s29c228ei832b7f949b797184@mail.gmail.com> <9acccfe50907102053g1d1a89d2hd0df87df2befef1f@mail.gmail.com> <20090710224631.48511382@dartworks.biz> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:03:03 -0700 Message-ID: <9acccfe50907112203s4cf0e73dg78dc1cb1c8541419@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server mouse and keyboard woes From: "Kevin O'Gorman" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 7a982074-d11b-404c-a005-dc348205ec76 X-Archives-Hash: a351ff5ac7cafd3e48e3fc2f884ce919 On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Keith Dart wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:53:22 -0700 > "Kevin O'Gorman" wrote: > >> This is NOT the way for Linux to make progress in the desktop wars, >> folks. > > Works for me. ;-) > > But its true that Xorg is making some rapid progress. There's some > growing pains. =A0If you are running Gentoo unstable mask (~) then > you are on the "bleeding edge" of open source development. Therefore > occasional breakage is to be expected. File a bug, make it better. > > If you want stable, then use Ubuntu LTS release, or CentOS. Stable, but > boring. ;-) Thanks for the sermon, pastor. I guess. Why did you jump to the conclusion that I am running unstable? I'm not. I never have, though I occasionally (like twice in the 7 years I've been using gentoo) marked a particular package for unstable. So by elimination, the term for what I have should be "stable". Why then try to exile me to a distro I don't want? I do, however, pretty much need "working". A black screen, dead input devices, and impossibly esoteric config files just don't cut it. (The HAL learning curve is a danger in itself, and is just not worth it to me. I don't expect to touch it for years, which means that when it eventually gets broken I'll have forgotten it completely and have no idea how to proceed safely). I got a solution by disabling HAL in gentoo. And for my broken ubuntu systems, I did indeed go back to LTS, but not so much because of the LT, it's just that 8.04 is the last one that worked. That's the upside of a binary distro -- my November backup was good enough (i.e. it worked), and an overnight update brought everything up to speed and up to snuff. The things that change a lot are all in /home, which was not affected. Hopefully, I can now get on with my summer projects. I'm done with HAL and X. Until next time. ++ kevin --=20 Kevin O'Gorman, PhD