From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LmW7e-0000k7-Mj for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:38:34 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E3098E0860; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.150]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC81FE0860 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so92005qwc.10 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:38:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=QKhKlJQWrWFn2pkXQnPbyF/U8FP4mqO1hk9wWILyeGE=; b=pSg0C9WPm28a80/gUPeVb5DT9qjgyPcK1vGa5D7Nsp6yBVj144cElhMQccYtsmBt0l I3/ZGSCB39Hrv/KXIE0UDKBO8XLPZGC2VWdm9fFdJWLmS91oCCHgEFR+LKTNa3Ph5jjQ sDndnaJd7buLRXTjbuS44IQOgOUM1yPUu9Y94= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KNwJ60oAeZY14XVX8jxP5wIuAFo7x3xMW+gqJdPAGU8mmLgY59M6b9RmC4jY1+l3Qd /eYuFY+incBFDeqaVtqeuL9BzVh2L8uG+xPD2nBHcTHLjK8aHdnC7ZQmlH6Xqao5Z/pO I8Qdq7MD03bUUDxdPOipjIHNXG6mTr3UxDPZ0= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.19.204 with SMTP id c12mr2816894ibb.20.1237999111632; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:38:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <58965d8a0903250750t5f835b5ar999498ecec078bae@mail.gmail.com> References: <9acccfe50903250702y7f6869f0xfd0e28002d4ca9c0@mail.gmail.com> <58965d8a0903250750t5f835b5ar999498ecec078bae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:38:31 -0700 Message-ID: <9acccfe50903250938h618c3409w451cfbb7a1738ff8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Browsers not seeing symbol font From: "Kevin O'Gorman" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 407fb19b-a5ac-4b2d-84a6-a8f9732353a8 X-Archives-Hash: e9b4ccc49b64965cf97f2d37e5ebe626 On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:50 AM, Paul Hartman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrot= e: >> I have discovered that the symbol font does not render reliably in >> browsers. =A0Only one of my audience (of about a dozen people) could see >> the font properly, in a variety of browsers. =A0The one who could is >> using Firefox, and I have not been able to determine what makes this >> one special -- I do not have access to that machine to check out >> configurations. >> >> I have a very simple HTML example at >> http://www.kosmanor.com/~kevin/symbol.html. =A0By rights it should show >> "The quick brown fox" transliterated into greek letters. =A0On most >> browsers set up for English, it seems to come out in latin letters, >> but there are no latin letter in that font, although these same >> browsers honor requests for a variety of other fonts. =A0This is true >> even on some machines that definitely have the symbol font, and it's >> usable in word processing documents. >> >> Of course, that sample page is ancient HTML, but the problem first >> surfaced in HTML email being received on a much more sophisticated >> page by Yahoo Mail. >> >> There's a lot I don't know about character encodings, i18n and the >> rest, but this still seems discrimination against the symbol font. >> Any clues out there? > > 1. "Symbol" is not a defined CSS font family. Your choices are: serif, > sans-serif, cursive, fantasy, monospace. I've changed the CSS to use the font-family property which accepts actual fonts in addition to the generics you mention. No joy. > 2. Character encodings are easy: use Unicode. :) > http://www.unicode.org/charts/symbols.html Yes they're easy. My question is about whether they have any effect on use of Symbol So far I see no evidence of it. > 3. Because neither your HTML nor your HTTP headers declare which > character encoding the page uses, it is left up to the browser to make > that decision (which obviously causes unpredictable results). You > should really define this. My browser default is Latin-1. The original YahooMail page specified us-ascii. No difference. > 4. Similarly, check the character encoding setting on the browser to > make sure it's not forcing it to be wrong. Firefox also has options to > allow or disallow the page from using its own fonts, etc. My browser is set to allow this. No joy. > 5. Make sure the requisite fonts exist on the viewer's computer and is > properly installed. It works in MS Works, Dreamweaver and on Gentoo, in OpenOffice. > --=20 Kevin O'Gorman, PhD