From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-82519-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1KMD2x-0006oV-Uw for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:28:44 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFCDBE02CA; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F264E02CA for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 02:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so2782465wfg.10 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:28:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=WDTXCDIQKW8lqiz0BtGCgMcQwHuvCDLvvwkmBpxDDMA=; b=Cx8jM92N5pwbR/i23GMhbiwPaHegUVNTXW1NuOHCff/jtqilBCedmtu/CTpehjfQWe IPna1Qhz1YItjrmFsAOMnYPDNntvM5uT0Zk+j21vkiPSRRO++XNyCYCBN3W0W5BAyStq vUCLN1rdfJlQ23Oc/F0IkM2ELq19Uo/p3NqpQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Sqz1yAYDr3KBpNAVnWtcy9Vy9pic5uYco3mIZPxoRwN0Lv5LRdGIxzADUwr+q5zR0H FjG1nSEO9HiSxWZpWTlq+pfVU3AHNiLvSVi/+avUcYHLr+TVcItp7pBPyfSs3PUI7VuN BIH8bU6WuUa5cO0INUrRXJCCcoSRQK5sue308= Received: by 10.142.223.4 with SMTP id v4mr359160wfg.48.1216952921542; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.171.1 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9acccfe50807241928v7148847w5b3c1fe9b42481@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:28:41 -0700 From: "Kevin O'Gorman" <kogorman@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 2.6.25-r6 oddities; is this kernel really ready for stable? In-Reply-To: <20080724194212.7eb73706@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9acccfe50807230952y795535cck52a8872d42b805c6@mail.gmail.com> <200807241053.08795.basti.wiesner@gmx.net> <9acccfe50807240739lc35c6bcj1557875adf8fff4e@mail.gmail.com> <200807241806.30065.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> <20080724194212.7eb73706@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> X-Archives-Salt: 769a4e0b-4c4f-4651-990c-d38c072f7674 X-Archives-Hash: 98812efbe9994bdc8f8f432b4ec8c3cb On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:06:29 +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > >> it is not about minorities. It is about closed source crap. Nobody can >> fix that execpt vmware. Why should people suffer because vmware is slow? > > This was fixed in the vmware overlay ages ago. You could blame the devs, > although I wouldn't, for not getting it into the stable tree before the > 2.6.25 kernel went stable. > > Now trying to get VMware to work with 2.6.26, I wish it wasn't so good, > then it would be much easier to switch to VirtualBox :( Now that makes sense. A screwup or accident is plausible. And I agree with the sentiment about VMware. I'd like to ditch it for an OpenSource replacement, but it's too good. <my turn to rant> There was about a decade where I used M$ products for the same reason. Software doesn't succeed because of political purity, but because of excellence and hard work. Linux, like anything else in a free market (of money ideas or anything else) has to work for its success, not rest on its laurels. More simply, Linux has succeeded to the extent it's better and only indirectly because of its development model. </rant> BTW: I told a few other faculty about my difficulties: here's a typical reaction: > It's an obvious question, but... are they freakin' insane? VMWare is one of the > few really good pieces of general-market software that supports Linux. Why > on earth would the linux community cut them off? > > Harumph! Mind you, I'm not certain who cut who off, but I'll be glad to report there's a serious effort to fix this. -- Kevin O'Gorman, PhD