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From: Michael <confabulate@kintzios.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Why do we add the local host name to the 127.0.0.1 / ::1 entry in the /etc/hosts file?
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:25:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9854601.nUPlyArG6x@lenovo.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAK2H+edOhCjcokfLW=qF+HddMRqHNXMrd9gpvyn4NFHpyfObeQ@mail.gmail.com>

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On Wednesday, 10 March 2021 13:27:24 GMT Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 10:10 PM Grant Taylor <
> 
> gtaylor@gentoo.tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
> > On 2/21/21 3:23 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
> > > Will someone please explain why the Gentoo AMD64 Handbook ~> Gentoo (at
> > > large) says to add the local host name to the 127.0.0.1 (or ::1) entry
> > > in the /etc/hosts file?  What was the thought process behind that?
> > 
> > Shameless Bump  --  I'm still interested in understanding the logic
> > behind the choice in the Gentoo Handbook.
> > 
> > Additional information.
> > 
> > The Samba Wiki states the following in the Preparing the Installation
> > section of the Setting up Samba as an Active Directory Domain Controller
> > document.
> > 
> > "The host name and FQDN must not resolve to the 127.0.0.1 IP address or
> > any other IP address than the one used on the LAN interface of the DC."
> > 
> > Link - Setting up Samba as an Active Directory Domain Controller -
> > Preparing the Installation
> > 
> >   -
> 
> https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setting_up_Samba_as_an_Active_Directory_Dom
> ain_Controller#Preparing_the_Installation
> 
> 
> AND
> 
> [quote]
> I'm reading Kerberos - The Definitive Guide[1] and it makes the
> 
> following comment:
> > And to make matters worse, some Unix systems map their own hostname
> > to 127.0.0.1 (the loopback IP address).
> 
> [/quote]
> 
> Caveat - not an expert, just my meager understanding:
> 
> 1) The name 'localhost' is historically for developers who want to access
> their own machine _without_ using DNS.
> 
> 2) By general practice sometime in the deep, dark times 127.0.0.1 was
> accepted for this purpose. There's nothing special about the address.
> 
> 3) I read the original quoted comment in the Kerberos Guide as a warning -
> 'to make matters worse, __SOME__"
> 
> 4) In my /etc/hosts I do _NOT_ map my machine's name to the same address as
> localhost, avoiding the Kerberos warning:
> 
> mark@science:~$ cat /etc/hosts
> 127.0.0.1       localhost
> 127.0.1.1       science
> 
> # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
> 
> ::1     ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
> 
> fe00::0 ip6-localnet
> ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
> ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
> ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
> 
> mark@science:~$ ping localhost
> PING localhost (127.0.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from localhost (127.0.0.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms
> 
> mark@science:~$ ping science
> PING science (127.0.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from science (127.0.1.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.032 ms
> 
> mark@science:~$ hostname
> science
> mark@science:~$ hostname -I
> 192.168.86.42
> mark@science:~$ hostname -A
> science.lan
> mark@science:~$ hostname -f
> science
> mark@science:~$ hostname -i
> 127.0.1.1
> mark@science:~$

I think this is relevant to DNS resolution of/with domain controllers and may 
depend on the AD/DC topology.  The idea is to use the LAN address of the box 
as the first address in /etc/hosts and use 127.0.0.1 as the second address in 
the file.  If more AD/DNS servers exist in the network, then 127.0.0.1 could 
be even further down the list.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/it-pro/windows-server-2008-R2-and-2008/ff807362(v=ws.10)?redirectedfrom=MSDN

I haven't over-thought this and there may be more to it, but on a pure linux 
environment I expect this would not be a requirement, hence the handbook 
approach.

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-10 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-21 22:23 [gentoo-user] Why do we add the local host name to the 127.0.0.1 / ::1 entry in the /etc/hosts file? Grant Taylor
2021-02-22  6:20 ` Andrew Udvare
2021-02-25  2:37 ` Peter Humphrey
2021-02-25  2:50   ` Grant Taylor
2021-02-25  7:02     ` Arve Barsnes
2021-02-25  7:33       ` Grant Taylor
2021-03-10  5:09 ` Grant Taylor
2021-03-10 13:27   ` Mark Knecht
2021-03-10 15:25     ` Michael [this message]
2021-03-10 16:00       ` Mark Knecht
2021-03-10 16:38         ` Michael
2021-03-10 17:07           ` Grant Taylor
2021-03-10 17:01         ` Grant Taylor
2021-03-10 16:58       ` Grant Taylor
2021-03-11 13:38         ` Michael
2021-03-11 16:50           ` Grant Taylor
2021-03-12 19:04             ` Michael
2021-03-13 19:01               ` Grant Taylor
2021-03-16 12:16                 ` Michael
2021-03-16 12:33                   ` Peter Humphrey
2021-03-16 18:54                   ` Grant Taylor
2021-03-11 17:04           ` Grant Taylor
2021-03-10 16:44     ` Grant Taylor
2021-03-10 17:43       ` Mark Knecht
2021-03-10 18:37         ` Grant Taylor
2021-03-11 10:54           ` Wols Lists

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