[gentoo-user] emerge -pv vs emerge -DuNpv

[gentoo-user] emerge -pv vs emerge -DuNpv

[Daniel Iliev]

Hi, guys!

This morning I did "emerge -DuN world -pv" on a PC with stable "x86"
Gentoo. Portage says it wants to update only:
'[ebuild     U ] sys-apps/man-1.6e-r3 [1.6e-r1] USE="nls" 0 kB'

Well, reading the recent thread about kernel-2.6.20, something made me
try "emerge -pv gentoo-sources" and I was really surprised to see:
'[ebuild  NS   ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.20-r6  USE="symlink
-build" 0 kB 42,580 kB'

So, "emerge -pv gentoo-sources" wants to install the new kernel source,
while "emerge -DuN world" doesn't. How come?



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[gentoo-user] Re: emerge -pv vs emerge -DuNpv

[Remy Blank]

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Daniel Iliev wrote:
> So, "emerge -pv gentoo-sources" wants to install the new kernel source,
> while "emerge -DuN world" doesn't. How come?

Is gentoo-sources in your world file?

$ grep gentoo-sources /var/lib/portage/world

If not, the behavior you see is normal. Just add
"sys-kernel/gentoo-sources" to the world file.

-- Remy


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -pv vs emerge -DuNpv

[Graham Murray]

Remy Blank <remy.blank@pobox.com> writes:

> Is gentoo-sources in your world file?
>
> $ grep gentoo-sources /var/lib/portage/world
>
> If not, the behavior you see is normal. Just add
> "sys-kernel/gentoo-sources" to the world file.

Shouldn't gentoo-sources be part of system?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -pv vs emerge -DuNpv

[Fabio A Correa]

Graham Murray wrote:
> Shouldn't gentoo-sources be part of system?

It does not have to be, it is in my world file by default.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -pv vs emerge -DuNpv

[Neil Bothwick]

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Hello Graham Murray,

> > If not, the behavior you see is normal. Just add
> > "sys-kernel/gentoo-sources" to the world file.  
> 
> Shouldn't gentoo-sources be part of system?

No, because you may not want to use gentoo-sources. system contains only
packages for which there is no choice, and there are plenty of kernels to
choose from.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -pv vs emerge -DuNpv

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Thursday 19 April 2007 15:13:39 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> Hello Graham Murray,
>
> > > If not, the behavior you see is normal. Just add
> > > "sys-kernel/gentoo-sources" to the world file.
> >
> > Shouldn't gentoo-sources be part of system?
>
> No, because you may not want to use gentoo-sources. system contains only
> packages for which there is no choice, and there are plenty of kernels to
> choose from.

While gentoo-sources isn't part of system virtual/linux-sources is a 
dependency of a quite a few packages in the tree (mostly kernel modules). And 
on all profiles in default-linux gentoo-sources is the default provider for 
that. The thing is that it is only a DEPEND and not an RDEPEND. So in 
addition to what others have told you you might want to take a look 
at --with-bdeps in `man emerge`.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -pv vs emerge -DuNpv

[maxim wexler]

> to take a look 
> at --with-bdeps in `man emerge`.

I can't find it. Not in google either. Spelling?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -pv vs emerge -DuNpv

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Thursday 19 April 2007 19:47:27 maxim wexler wrote:
> > to take a look
> > at --with-bdeps in `man emerge`.
>
> I can't find it. Not in google either. Spelling?

You need portage 2.1.2 for it...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -pv vs emerge -DuNpv

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 19 April 2007, Graham Murray wrote:
> Remy Blank <remy.blank@pobox.com> writes:
> > Is gentoo-sources in your world file?
> >
> > $ grep gentoo-sources /var/lib/portage/world
> >
> > If not, the behavior you see is normal. Just add
> > "sys-kernel/gentoo-sources" to the world file.
>
> Shouldn't gentoo-sources be part of system?

No.

That would make the gentoo-patched kernel a compulsory package, and the 
user would have to edit their profile to remove it.

You do have to have a kernel on the machine, but not everyone wants the 
gentoo kernel, or even a kernel installed via portage.

alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] Re: emerge -pv vs emerge -DuNpv

[Daniel Iliev]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:59:56 +0200
Remy Blank <remy.blank@pobox.com> wrote:

> Daniel Iliev wrote:
> > So, "emerge -pv gentoo-sources" wants to install the new kernel
> > source, while "emerge -DuN world" doesn't. How come?
> 
> Is gentoo-sources in your world file?
> 
> $ grep gentoo-sources /var/lib/portage/world
> 
> If not, the behavior you see is normal. Just add
> "sys-kernel/gentoo-sources" to the world file.
> 
> -- Remy
> 


That was it. I though there are packages depending on gentoo-sources,
so the "--deep" flag should bring an update, but obviously those
packages don't need the highest version.

Thank you, guys!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -pv vs emerge -DuNpv

[maxim wexler]

> Try using quotation/citation marks ie "--with-bdeps"
> when googling.
> That should help. You could add emerge in the search

It did. I know about adding quotes to a phrase but to
a  single string? New one on me.

But Bo is right, my portage is out-of-date. emerge
--help is supposed to include --with-bdeps under
"0ptions:", but not on my box(portage-2.1.1-r2).

-Maxim


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge -pv vs emerge -DuNpv

[Tony Stohne]

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maxim wexler said the following on 2007-04-19 20:30:
>> Try using quotation/citation marks ie "--with-bdeps"
>> when googling.
>> That should help. You could add emerge in the search
> 
> It did. I know about adding quotes to a phrase but to
> a  single string? New one on me.
> 
Well, a minus sign in front of a search pattern usually means don't
include any pages with that search pattern...

> But Bo is right, my portage is out-of-date. emerge
> --help is supposed to include --with-bdeps under
> "0ptions:", but not on my box(portage-2.1.1-r2).
> 
True :) I was a little too lazy to notice ;)
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