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[65.0.95.121]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m123sm8358688ywf.26.2016.12.19.14.50.20 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 19 Dec 2016 14:50:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] from Firefox52: NO pure ALSA?, WAS: Firefox 49.0 & Youtube... Audio: No To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <20161015182743.GB4541@solfire> <20161216101951.GA29887@g0n.xdwgrp> <CAGfcS_k+toE5DiWMPZrbnFqnJwVuQQ73B-rAmYeGTeyE-WKzBQ@mail.gmail.com> <20161216131315.GA4052@g0n.xdwgrp> <CAGfcS_=LvKf+pbq1Pfs_RfNUB76yFHz3Dv-FK0ZdFAMt_mAbYQ@mail.gmail.com> <20161216165118.GA26704@g0n.xdwgrp> <CAGfcS_=UDb35V==i5Ma3K6pNBBSyU0Ecp7_u97ZOYSfj-AwnqQ@mail.gmail.com> <20161217055520.GA13608@waltdnes.org> <87pokn23ai.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <4c7138ac-cbd2-c60f-2a86-bb7e41e9d6fb@gmail.com> <87r353zmfs.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> From: Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> Message-ID: <97c3b37f-be37-391c-2e16-b232c793156d@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 16:50:14 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/49.0 SeaMonkey/2.46 Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87r353zmfs.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 029ab066-3836-4720-ae2f-8e8d2786ef7e X-Archives-Hash: 47e141d26ba8321e978f611c53412233 lee wrote: > Daniel Frey <djqfrey@gmail.com> writes: > >> On 12/19/2016 10:15 AM, lee wrote: >>> "Walter Dnes" <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> writes: >>> >>>> Similarly, the vast majority of home users have a machine with one >>>> ethernet port, and in the past it's always been eth0. >>> Since 10 years or so, the default is two ports. >> Not in any of the computers I've built. Generally only high end or >> workstation/server boards have two ports. >> >> i.e. not what the typical home user would buy. > It is not reasonable to assume that a "typical home user" would want a > computer with a crappy board to run Linux on it (or for anything > else). If they are that cheap, they're better off buying a used one. > When they are sufficiently clueless to want something like that, what > does it matter what the network interfaces are called. > I built my current rig just a few years ago. It has one ethernet port on it. Since it didn't work right, bad drivers I guess, I added a card to have the second port. The rig I built before that, it also had one ethernet port. I might add, I didn't buy a "crappy board" either. The first was Abit which was the top rated brand at the time and my current board is Gigabyte, another highly rated board at the time I bought it. As Daniel points out, you have to get into some pretty high end boards before you get two ethernet ports. Just for giggles, I went and looked at Asus boards, currently highly rated. I had to get up around the $400 range to find two ports. Most computers built for home use, and even some, maybe most, business computers, only have one port. It's all they need. I might also add, I have a lot of friends that give me their old computers. Of all the puters I have ever seen, they had one ethernet port. Over the past decade or so, I've likely stripped out a few dozen computers for parts. Not one of them had two ethernet ports. I'm with Daniel on this one. Dale :-) :-)