[gentoo-user] [TOT: Total offtopic]

[gentoo-user] [TOT: Total offtopic]

[tuxic]

Hi,

I am using a IBM model M with my Linux and I *LOVE IT* :)

Unfortunately there seems to be a problem coming up:
Pressing ENTER also triggers \ (key above ENTER) sometimes.
Interestingly the ENTER is never missed. Either ENTER
will be executed or ENTER\ ?

Any idea what could be the reason for that?
How can I try to fix that?

Cheers
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] [TOT: Total offtopic]

[J. Roeleveld]

On March 31, 2018 10:40:13 AM UTC, tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I am using a IBM model M with my Linux and I *LOVE IT* :)
>
>Unfortunately there seems to be a problem coming up:
>Pressing ENTER also triggers \ (key above ENTER) sometimes.
>Interestingly the ENTER is never missed. Either ENTER
>will be executed or ENTER\ ?
>
>Any idea what could be the reason for that?
>How can I try to fix that?
>
>Cheers
>Meino

My first guess would be some dirt in the keyboard. (Assuming the keys are physically next to each other)

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Re: [gentoo-user] [TOT: Total offtopic]

[Elijah Mark Anderson]

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Meino:

I agree with Joost. Things like this are almost always due to a dirty 
keyboard. Carefully take it apart, and give it a thorough cleaning. 
In my experience cotton swabs and rubbing alcohol are your friends.

If you need a stronger cleaner, or one that needs/has water, remove the PCB(s) 
and electronics first. Here's a guide on cleaning Model Ms specifically. 
https://learn.adafruit.com/convert-your-model-m-keyboard-to-bluetooth-with-bluefruit-ez-key-hid/how-to-clean-model-m-keyboard

If the problem continues to occur, the next thing to check is probably the 
cable; make sure it's not frayed and in otherwise good condition. You can use 
a multimeter on resistance or continuity mode to check the continuity of the 
conductors (none of them are broken), and make sure none of the conductors are 
shorting/jumping to the others.

Hope this helps!
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Mark

On Saturday, March 31, 2018 7:20:10 AM CDT J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On March 31, 2018 10:40:13 AM UTC, tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I am using a IBM model M with my Linux and I *LOVE IT* :)
> >
> >Unfortunately there seems to be a problem coming up:
> >Pressing ENTER also triggers \ (key above ENTER) sometimes.
> >Interestingly the ENTER is never missed. Either ENTER
> >will be executed or ENTER\ ?
> >
> >Any idea what could be the reason for that?
> >How can I try to fix that?
> >
> >Cheers
> >Meino
> 
> My first guess would be some dirt in the keyboard. (Assuming the keys are
> physically next to each other)
> 
> --
> Joost

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Re: [gentoo-user] [TOT: Total offtopic]

[tuxic]

Mark:

Thanks a lot!

\--
Meino



On 03/31 12:37, Elijah Mark Anderson wrote:
> Meino:
> 
> I agree with Joost. Things like this are almost always due to a dirty 
> keyboard. Carefully take it apart, and give it a thorough cleaning. 
> In my experience cotton swabs and rubbing alcohol are your friends.
> 
> If you need a stronger cleaner, or one that needs/has water, remove the PCB(s) 
> and electronics first. Here's a guide on cleaning Model Ms specifically. 
> https://learn.adafruit.com/convert-your-model-m-keyboard-to-bluetooth-with-bluefruit-ez-key-hid/how-to-clean-model-m-keyboard
> 
> If the problem continues to occur, the next thing to check is probably the 
> cable; make sure it's not frayed and in otherwise good condition. You can use 
> a multimeter on resistance or continuity mode to check the continuity of the 
> conductors (none of them are broken), and make sure none of the conductors are 
> shorting/jumping to the others.
> 
> Hope this helps!
> --
> Mark
> 
> On Saturday, March 31, 2018 7:20:10 AM CDT J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On March 31, 2018 10:40:13 AM UTC, tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >I am using a IBM model M with my Linux and I *LOVE IT* :)
> > >
> > >Unfortunately there seems to be a problem coming up:
> > >Pressing ENTER also triggers \ (key above ENTER) sometimes.
> > >Interestingly the ENTER is never missed. Either ENTER
> > >will be executed or ENTER\ ?
> > >
> > >Any idea what could be the reason for that?
> > >How can I try to fix that?
> > >
> > >Cheers
> > >Meino
> > 
> > My first guess would be some dirt in the keyboard. (Assuming the keys are
> > physically next to each other)
> > 
> > --
> > Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] [TOT: Total offtopic]

[Taiidan]

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If you are unable to fix it yourself (but I think you can :D) Unicomp
offers parts and repairs for Model M's (along with their kentucky usa
made Model M's - they use the original tooling)

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[gentoo-user] Re: [TOT: Total offtopic]

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2018-04-01 12:04, Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:

> If you are unable to fix it yourself (but I think you can :D) Unicomp
> offers parts and repairs for Model M's (along with their kentucky usa
> made Model M's - they use the original tooling)

I have owned Unicomp keyboards, and those made after a certain time, I
think about 7 years ago, are _nothing like_ the real thing.  And I can
tell the difference because I'm typing on the real thing now, having
found one in a yard sale for free :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [TOT: Total offtopic]

[tuxic]

On 04/01 04:24, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2018-04-01 12:04, Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:
> 
> > If you are unable to fix it yourself (but I think you can :D) Unicomp
> > offers parts and repairs for Model M's (along with their kentucky usa
> > made Model M's - they use the original tooling)
> 
> I have owned Unicomp keyboards, and those made after a certain time, I
> think about 7 years ago, are _nothing like_ the real thing.  And I can
> tell the difference because I'm typing on the real thing now, having
> found one in a yard sale for free :-)
 
Lucky you! :)
Do you have experience in removing the steel back plate from the
keyboard and later add it back with screws fixing the whole thing
instead of the rivets, which needs to be removed for this?

It is very very sad, that these wonderful keyboards are nor longer
built with the same quality and feel of use. They are so great!

There are some things in technology (ad not only there) that were
done right just with the first attempt. Sweet spots in time they are.


Cheers
Meino




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[gentoo-user] Re: [TOT: Total offtopic]

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2018-04-02 04:14, tuxic@posteo.de wrote:

> Do you have experience in removing the steel back plate from the
> keyboard and later add it back with screws fixing the whole thing
> instead of the rivets, which needs to be removed for this?

No, unfortunately I cannot help.  I've had mine for about 2 years now,
and other than cleaning the keys, it never needed servicing.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [TOT: Total offtopic]

[Taiidan]

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I have one from almost 10 years ago, whats the difference :[? how can
you tell?

I still like it though >:[

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[gentoo-user] Re: [TOT: Total offtopic]

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2018-04-02 01:28, Taiidan@gmx.com wrote:

> I have one from almost 10 years ago, whats the difference :[? how can
> you tell?

You mean Unicomp?  At that time, although they were not quite the old
IBM, they were close, probably still using the original design to which
they had bought rights.  But 2 or 3 years after that they "jumped the
shark"; new models started requiring non-uniform pressure to activate
different keys, some keys requiring excessive pressure, some keys
started to stick, and the final straw was when keys started to fall off
after light usage.

This seems to be a universal pattern in consumer capitalism: start with
a great product, acquire a cult clientele, then gradually increase
profits by cutting costs, while relying on the cult to keep customers
coming even for the inferior product.

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