From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E36251382C5 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 14:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A1C9EE0966; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 14:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw.thundermail.uk (mail-gw.thundermail.uk [149.255.60.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F775E094A for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 14:50:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgw01.thundermail.uk (mail-gw.thundermail.uk [149.255.60.66]) by mail-gw.thundermail.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4D9F6030C05 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:50:04 +0100 (BST) X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1591973403-05541315a6267b350001-LfjuLa Received: from cloud307.thundercloud.uk (cloud307.thundercloud.uk [149.255.58.40]) by mailgw01.thundermail.uk with ESMTP id IHbwT4pPGgww2FXO (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:50:03 +0100 (BST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: confabulate@kintzios.com X-Barracuda-Effective-Source-IP: cloud307.thundercloud.uk[149.255.58.40] X-Barracuda-Apparent-Source-IP: 149.255.58.40 Received: from lenovo.localdomain (230.3.169.217.in-addr.arpa [217.169.3.230]) by cloud307.thundercloud.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 022EFC84CF5 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:50:01 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kintzios.com; s=default; t=1591973403; bh=DXzha2K+B0c73HwN3QqhYYBryaG0uf5sCLhG1hJjaTk=; h=From:To:Subject; b=nE4OeZH0HXliyOFvi9bIKl/wcZ4mUmUYDqrr6dLrqCLNKm8RKBTQWwwMTV6eTjM6m t83i3HNoTrOeOqnh5SpdeTycvUQR7S3Ecrb8+rZYOvJeOs+ZZjl5YiTxI/TrcDWS24 h0fpPBoQjaEeP7h6LinHVix/ceoVYGjqQh1CboBQ= Authentication-Results: cloud307.thundercloud.uk; spf=pass (sender IP is 217.169.3.230) smtp.mailfrom=confabulate@kintzios.com smtp.helo=lenovo.localdomain Received-SPF: pass (cloud307.thundercloud.uk: connection is authenticated) From: Michael To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] "masked by: EAPI 7" trying up update "portage" - how to proceed Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:50:01 +0100 X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: [gentoo-user] "masked by: EAPI 7" trying up update "portage" - how to proceed Message-ID: <9711972.nUPlyArG6x@lenovo.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <8DB0135C-B7DC-4BDF-B582-71E72FAA412F@antarean.org> References: <9ed9c401-7066-9c6d-8ce4-2ee94a1b903e@web.de> <2027654.irdbgypaU6@lenovo.localdomain> <8DB0135C-B7DC-4BDF-B582-71E72FAA412F@antarean.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2105046.iZASKD2KPV"; micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-PPP-Message-ID: <20200612145003.2139939.22111@cloud307.thundercloud.uk> X-PPP-Vhost: kintzios.com X-Barracuda-Connect: cloud307.thundercloud.uk[149.255.58.40] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1591973403 X-Barracuda-Encrypted: ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 X-Barracuda-URL: https://149.255.60.66:443/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at thundermail.uk X-Barracuda-Scan-Msg-Size: 4598 X-Barracuda-BRTS-Status: 1 X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=1.9 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.3.82502 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-Archives-Salt: c33c6021-7d15-4a3a-a723-fd8931da64d7 X-Archives-Hash: 02391efac0136051db715982789c2077 --nextPart2105046.iZASKD2KPV Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Friday, 12 June 2020 15:42:52 BST J. Roeleveld wrote: > On 12 June 2020 16:38:28 CEST, Michael wrote: > >On Friday, 12 June 2020 15:00:25 BST Jack wrote: > >> On 6/12/20 9:49 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: > >> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 4:00 AM n952162 wrote: > >> >> On 2020-06-12 08:40, n952162 wrote: > >> >>>> BTW, is it becoming clear why it is best to update Gentoo at > > > >least > > > >> >>>> ever few months? :) > >> >>> > >> >>> Well, yes, but it's really pretty onerous. If you have gentoo in > >> >>> embedded systems, you've got to spend considerable administrative > > > >effort > > > >> >>> in each one just maintaining the status quo. > >> >>> > >> >>> I mean, there's no competition to gentoo, of course. But a > > > >design goal > > > >> >>> could be to have a one-step sync, of some sort. > >> >> > >> >> Maybe one way to work in that direction would be to have regular - > > > >say, > > > >> >> yearly - "releases", kind of like other distributions do, but on > > > >an > > > >> >> ebuild basis, re-establishing a common base point. > >> > > >> > Well, you already can just use a snapshot of the repository from > > > >any > > > >> > date in time, though things like patches might not be mirrored any > >> > longer so that isn't a perfect solution. > >> > > >> > Ultimately if there was enough interest in something like this the > >> > solution would probably be another distro that just repackages > > > >Gentoo > > > >> > in a release-based format. Release-based distros have their pros > > > >and > > > >> > cons, but they're definitely a better fit for some problems. > >> > > >> > One of the issues with Gentoo is that it is fairly niche and so you > >> > don't have the manpower to support 47 forks. With Debian you have > > > >a > > > >> > bazillion derivatives - half of them are just bundling a different > > > >set > > > >> > of default packages. Ubuntu has a Desktop and Server version of > > > >the > > > >> > distro, and they also have flavors for various desktop > > > >environments. > > > >> > Gentoo basically has just barely enough manpower to support having > >> > Gentoo. We try to accommodate as much choice as possible in how it > >> > gets used which is why this model works as well as it does. > > > >However, > > > >> > we can't support having a Gentoo flavor that is GPL-only, or > > > >GPL-free, > > > >> > or FOSS-only, or no-systemd-in-the-repo, or initial install > > > >optimized > > > >> > for people who read braille. You can actually tailor Gentoo > > > >towards > > > >> > just about any of those directions with some config file tweaks, > > > >but > > > >> > you can't just pick the one of 300 iso images that most closely fit > >> > your needs and run the autoinstaller and forget about it. > >> > >> What about some sort of tagging? Not bundling or packaging, just > >> occasional (quarterly?) labels, with a matrix indicating how > > > >difficult > > > >> it would be to upgrade. A hint to folks who tend to update less > > > >often > > > >> than they should. A "heads up" that things added or upgraded in the > >> past quarter are going to be very difficult to do if you are starting > >> with something more than three/five/...? quarters older than that. > > > >Of > > > >> course, I suppose if you read the news items as they are released, > > > >then > > > >> you should have a pretty good idea of which of them are likely to > > > >bite > > > >> you if you wait too long. > > > >Perhaps I misunderstand this, but isn't it as simple as booting off a > >LiveCD/ > >USB, chrooting, changing profiles, cleaning up world file and letting > >rip with > >a full 'emerge -e' @system, followed by @world for good measure? > > It might work when moving fron 13.0 to 17.0. > But 17.1 required a seperate tool that actually migrated libraries around > the filesystem. I doubt it can be handled reliably that way. > > > I would rebuild from scratch, copying any config files across. > > -- > Joost Ah, yes the /lib/lib32/lib64 fs consolidation/migration. This needs to be managed too. In this occasion a fresh install would be the easiest approach, inc. moving portage to /var, all of which will arrive with a new Stage 3. The last time I upgraded an old unmaintained Gentoo installation was years ago. The underlying architecture had not changed much then, but it still took me a week or so firefighting with gcc and what not. --nextPart2105046.iZASKD2KPV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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