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From: "J. Roeleveld" <joost@antarean.org>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] akonadi ... don't you just love it?
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:00:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <93a075f9-f022-4051-a7eb-3d6e67561e9a@email.android.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53EA5B0F.9070909@googlemail.com>

On 12 August 2014 20:21:03 CEST, Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
>Am 12.08.2014 um 16:10 schrieb J. Roeleveld:
>> On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 03:38:15 PM Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> On 12/08/2014 15:28, J. Roeleveld wrote:
>>>> On 12 August 2014 14:06:07 CEST, Alan McKinnon
><alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>>>> On 12/08/2014 11:10, Mick wrote:
>>>>>> I recall the devs explicitly stating early enough in the KDE4
>>>>> development that
>>>>>
>>>>>> sqlite is not man enough for the job and advising everyone to
>move
>>>>> over to
>>>>>
>>>>>> mysql.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone was looking at postgresql as an alternative to mysql, but
>I'm
>>>>> not sure
>>>>>
>>>>>> that this would bring any benefit.
>>>>> pg is a fine database, but for this use will always be a 2nd class
>>>>> citizen. Most users will already have mysql installed, or will be
>>>>> willing to install it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The number of folks with pg and without mysql will probably be
>small
>>>> Not necessarily.
>>>> People who care about databases actually supporting SQL properly
>and
>>>> performing properly will prefer PostgreSQL.
>>>>
>>>> I don't like to be forced to run a MySQL instance as well. It's
>often the
>>>> laziness of developers that causes the difficulty of supporting a
>>>> different database when they started with MySQL. If you start with
>a
>>>> different one, like PostgrSQL, supporting different database
>engines is
>>>> very simple.
>>> I don't think you read what I said.
>> Sorry, didn't read the below in what you put.
>>
>>> I didn't say postgresql shouldn't be supported, I said it would
>always
>>> end up being a second class citizen as the number of people who'd be
>>> happy with mysql will vastly outnumber the number of people who
>highly
>>> desire postgresql. So, logically, a postgresql driver in this case
>will
>>> probably just bitrot away. Whihc nicely explains the likely reason
>why
>>> that driver is not there.
>> It wouldn't bitrot away as there would be people willing to keep it
>working, 
>> provided it wouldn't require a MySQL -> SQL translator to be kept
>up-to-date.
>>
>>> People like yourself who care about databases are very much in the
>>> minority of users, even on Linux. Most users across the boards just
>>> don't give a shit. Them's the breaks.
>> Users never care about what they install. I just wish the majority of
>
>> developers would actually be willing to follow some simple guidelines
>to make 
>> it actually possible to others to write and maintain the drivers to
>connect to 
>> different databases.
>>
>> Several attempts have been made by people to add support for
>different 
>> databases to various projects. I've tried to do it myself on
>occasion, but 
>> even when patches are accepted by upstream, they get broken by
>upstream at a 
>> future release again because of the bad design that is often employed
>by lazy 
>> developers.
>>
>> --
>> Joost
>>
>>
>wasn't qtsql once supposed to that?

If a framework like qtsql is used, swapping the database is easy.

Most developers seem to prefer to reinvent the wheel and often come up with something that vaguely resembles a circle and is held together with a mixture of glue and duck tape. 

--
Joost
-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.


  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-12 19:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-09 20:00 [gentoo-user] akonadi ... don't you just love it? Mick
2014-08-10  9:34 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-08-12  7:05   ` Mick
2014-08-11 18:01 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-08-11 21:45   ` Mick
2014-08-12  5:36     ` J. Roeleveld
2014-08-12  6:42       ` Alan McKinnon
2014-08-12  9:10         ` Mick
2014-08-12 12:06           ` Alan McKinnon
2014-08-12 13:28             ` J. Roeleveld
2014-08-12 13:38               ` Alan McKinnon
2014-08-12 14:10                 ` J. Roeleveld
2014-08-12 18:21                   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-08-12 19:00                     ` J. Roeleveld [this message]
2014-08-12 19:20                       ` Alan McKinnon
2014-08-13  6:38                         ` J. Roeleveld
2014-08-13  7:10                           ` Alan McKinnon
2014-08-13 12:18                             ` Alec Ten Harmsel
2014-08-13 12:26                               ` Alan McKinnon
2014-08-11 19:05 ` [gentoo-user] " Mick
2014-08-11 22:21   ` Neil Bothwick
2014-08-12  0:38     ` Rich Freeman
2014-08-12  7:31       ` Neil Bothwick
2014-08-12  8:08         ` Peter Humphrey
2014-08-12 14:38         ` Daniel Frey
2014-08-12 17:54           ` Rich Freeman
2014-08-12  1:00     ` Dale
2014-08-12  7:57       ` Walter Dnes
2014-08-12  8:19         ` Alan McKinnon

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