From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GPffy-0006Pd-L6 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:30:15 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k8JDS64K025902; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:28:06 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8JDLf2F001062 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:21:42 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5CF8647FE for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22196-07-2 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A6B647F3 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id b29so5208398pya for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:21:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HKXb+jZFtOYdVFgO0UaOgJ3cV6tP4dw3mZeEhezJzKB881+zUlBYwW/ok1lPhc/WiecD+z0gzsQj8oiv/xsMoy/rQQAgk4oihlHLCQmufpqOIwzww1PoE+NC4Jh4b8nZxZzD9lt1rJot5qEAdtg/dyzSpYeiGU1FfxskCA3A5A8= Received: by 10.35.76.10 with SMTP id d10mr26078874pyl; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.123.16 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <92c85b0e0609190621t52e8d65cs5e988b0fda31c2a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:21:30 +0000 From: "Alon Keren" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Creating a LFS system with Portage Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.712 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.687, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -1.712 X-Spam-Level: X-Archives-Salt: 1d8c0b7c-7a55-4900-8611-8b29ba823bc6 X-Archives-Hash: 852f725c08d3fdbb65ae3a94c6bac9cb Alan McKinnon wrote: > I'm not sure why you want to do this or what your line of > reasoning is. A stage 1 gentoo install is very similar to > building LFS, except that you don't have to type './configure > && make && sudo make install' 300 times. Well, conceptually > similar at least. > > The whole point of LFS is to do it by hand and see how it all > works at an even lower level than gentoo provides. You could > use portage to automate the LFS build process, but then you end > up with essentially a clone of gentoo. I say this as someone > who has built an LFS as a learning exercise then moved on to > gentoo for pragmatic reasons. > > Perhaps if you explained why you want to try this and especially > what you want to accomplish, then we can advise you better. > My aim is to have the ability to regularly build and maintain completely customized Linux systems. I simply don't want to be dependent - at any stage - on the whims or habits of a distribution. While LFS allows me to build a completely customized Linux system, it takes, as you say, a lot of time and effort to build a single one. Also, it offers nothing in the sense of package-management. So, what I'm looking for is something to automate the LFS build-process and to do it under some system of package-management. Portage seemls likely to meet those needs. >>From what I read about stage1 and stage2, they both come as is, which is somewhat problematic for my needs (for examle, if I want to use one version of gcc instead of another). Even if stage1 is used 'out of the box', some mechanism should be in place in order to build a new system on a chroot environment, no? The ROOT variable is probably a major part of the solution, but is it enough? I've also found '/usr/portage/scripts/bootstrap.sh', which seems suspiciously relevant, but comes with little external documentation. > > > Please CC me your replies as I'm not subscribed to messages > > from this list > > Nope. Asking that is exceptionally rude. I wade through 200+ > messages per day looking for places I can assist others. The > least you can do is subscribe to the list like everyone else > (and how did you manage to post without a subscription?), and > download the same looking for replies to your question. > Besides, the answers you get might help someone else. I'm sorry that you find my request rude. I would rather not go through 200 messages every day if I could help it, and I personally don't find it too troublesome to add an address to the CC line. Replying to the list and having me as CC will obviously not prevent others to take place in the discussion or read it later on as reference. At any case, I would look in online archives to search for any messages which haven't reached me. Alon PS. Please CC me your replies as I'm not subscribed to messages from this list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list