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To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <1592742728-ner-8.985@TPL520> <4d784f1d-751a-aae7-732a-eeb817918684@gmail.com> <1592751046-ner-5.433@TPL520> From: Dale Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFxc7MgBEAC+zrgEdqJJiDe/UDAB+ScmferXWfJTVjbVT2T4DQ7jiLrgP9aNUo1HioNF mrU3JPOCR32gvZyTbY1+niO5+VSo/+pSqQ785h6ZDj1klMkrg6tEzGnf2MNBpBj4houZwxQ+ WDKKTg2M9F+lv8wTIdR/JQn+hSviktLMtrghQlyLhpapsLXWLA6gMFebpQYwxUwemvan8ddX lQvJe9FGyFYvBi0dp1gl10F2O+DVZJxvX8xkX+yImVlhVJiC31gXHRcj+Qlo7gprlU7TIieF Uow6/ZvYKJ26pztVdFCg5w0rMJkF/x8Zd4A6wnuptiAPmWaQ1+YKgYDonbDUgwqFSx5/lN5z DGZ4LlioxeUTTPVvZsqBIeDz6jNFA583OYbo1/S26dqrvTFf2DKlsvoDpVfAhNlwJPjoixs0 X3FNqPv+M10n4kq5Iz7Q9E3O4s/nfFIYGocEslVka7zZPkXSaHbsn+KJlY8XV6qxtCEdh0/V XX1+1aU2J74M0JikWhpwxTZ1dP5aOyWSPPEgFFIRW6xwwC02SoRH9a7mggfGYp/YjPlONNaT SCL8sgRfvmq3D0XTbLyTjSbExxkfKDmbePQagawDE3TlI/oivHf1JaAcbwMb3LZuU4TGcOIl 5D+x7q0MUIeCop0ZFOwAnqW3AVVNvsBkv2KN+IHJryWAf0/iMQARAQABtBtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JAk4EEwEIADgWIQTZ7suruPBaS60bCYXvEM/XWu+ZnAUCXFzs yAIbIwULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRDvEM/XWu+ZnN+7D/4/1dNG4aCz0+v+ 0dcjV5tY1feYEWCdHKyDzxWBxlCpd/0NPRQeNY4VMjbCl/sq7GkXi/c2SbfWDQ5BQRkkExG1 pSwuXSIehGok/4fpTi3HDAguRvzdCqlKPt7me05FyiC/WnpY5GOlJ3ruGw2qABv/RmV2q5b/ tkq7h1y1f16DTNr3/nsj8HzHcrHdXdL4kaYChSOe/dbQR9Stqak7eMyR+iwvrJMNF/CGl70P 2x5ybsXMDzRVOqNcpa5ZdhEMTVh6+vC1SOmm1BFMF8XCqBEvBbcHWDQmGYTdNCsS/ADm8CBl gvjJgLdIsAzoMu4WHQDFnzXAoArqFWgAf53isOS4AWrv29tF9b8Aa1vb7h5JEa+ArcMsA6Gl X38+GY6WXXaxKI9n3PTCWu9tPGnRh7mABjnwEosDDqmzw8aTAYECb3avDuGY2rmcjgh4H6RE w08d63j1T4d5J9wlm4TGtW/VHgbUFkATEdH3Acl/EjFiyqTiX7p8kU6Reu5enIkogA93xoQh Rmy7ZiST/5LN+ZkaOdyjIw0L+5KalslN9SKt809YxgJ6kPo657LNTFPiFvFA46/SEWcBYrzq Xk0wEW0gBRWf+BqN0qRhU0/EQ+QfRdLLFg2xtUePwlheYLXxfyDLrdCCOLWYpkzbjCZHLS4u 69smbvR9S9KBDNzJybxEWrkCDQRcXOzIARAA5IGRWTqaM44IJgBYghZg2fGj0Am7KWPhE7V7 T/EEe7vVSUEFqHtlHzI4ZK6Q0AZ9uAEjE8IJIQ7KoTjzNqAtabP0vp3s0szgtJlsZ+8vGKlQ my7fvzSrdoQL0Xn7CEwJYFXJ1EMUcYIQeoHG1cUAaXx73k9BFbjwjnUeMrqlV/ZovQlg7duW nESfQ7HZu5NrtYyY3jPMUouxiO9WQPh+IHxZbt1absF2VcvRAymD32RxGvMPbw6ChMRD/p9O 4PH7M5rXaxr78NXQX9E48vrI00f1cYb9NSN1HnSV8cW3jKObVjdBk6jPQwrMvdpgdQhUB9aZ HS/9mC9mmAgiXKyCpzXe7FPB6QznSfn4GIaC/luy1e6SLUkJhRK/niB+gq+Mfxg2zXNuDUTI cMGmpDCp3kgUoorkaltk8RW09io95BkXrGhcDNuSGZfAParBc7RXyYpbIcax8St7tEAd2oFh 4seYOPUlzuhGrPpqR/91wrFc4E1260GKauSr4UhMJv6tygBwyC0mmBMKi+ZXw6ZdZxA5fg7y 35P3TILjznCXXTDgRHq9A3NknKRMcgFacX6eIhANkMFo6oJVjuEgy1dvu1wFfDq7c+i8GAHu L4pYzyXYu6PporlNNU0xSwdVgzM/uuK0lt+UxCimgC+YR3IezgDcbfudb7h9dGIwL+bbPL0A EQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIBYhBNnuy6u48FpLrRsJhe8Qz9da75mcBQJcXOzIAhsMAAoJEO8Qz9da 75mcXZ4P/1YXgWDZek7mhzrf6uaQzMxa92P89HeWz4PlgB/32symeEFAV04WazzBZffI8AYY rGA1Xmu/2VaB9+FOODyKhUWBc2UL0NRWBk6POwboyTdKlclmpixaN9zLcBt0YLejoRfN1B/5 aQf9/lUDZMnAiCyz0FgeqEMUshldmwWC35RqnjrCbbuk2vIqSH6BLDIXU6jQrLHE1DF0ai41 wLtQFAFXPhn45n0ZwYhVs4Z32z4sjXrIvgBgCaXa4HM+L1Klne0KiNM8ReFTTpTE0SgyDOSZ O3MOa2n77i6JbVtsbiFYnNeP3J9S/l3jevGpZEtNQOKrIm1MW8jGuHWtsDeMkT/mCcSodlkt PxIo+mMK9GpGvG2hW80LiohqNfUbNwAmr3blOYY4URPXPRnEnPs4pmTmL5owjw2dkg145i9I D42Tq+XZ6YtWt3SGzGbAYow6XwTwZ5NFAzV9UQuCGrDw4KWan6O6Z+VIYWsn0UMZlu1Obxna aocofkaUCbISK26kImuD1aA8juSHC18Qv1xUage6/UakbSxyDtACqt6hOVFKX3IA59ApdNRT +2x3iCmlvF9MJsGgFq6IpqL+Fk7iWV8Kjbz0wQOId6N9+JdQh3LrLaS7a1PowUm1z9DK5/O0 Yg+gpDnEOOFI7WM5u7a7FSM2Z/LXGVwel/0eWvLk9tN6 Message-ID: <8eb2b6e0-e997-4206-d935-3f4a716f8fea@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 11:55:17 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C1CE8F9B78F8A215B24FCFD7" X-Archives-Salt: 6ffa6173-1166-4c62-acc7-c6cf61a0d3bc X-Archives-Hash: 42ce7cba8c36b0776ea17a0fb695020f This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C1CE8F9B78F8A215B24FCFD7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John Covici wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 10:50:46 -0400, > Franz Fellner wrote: >> On Sun Jun 21 09:21:36 2020, Dale wrote: >>> The cards I use are class 10, slow but pretty fast for the type of >>> card.  Generally, I can download several hundred MBs in a minute or >>> two.  Deleting sometimes over a 1,000 pics one at a time just isn't >>> feasible.  That could take a long time. >> That wasn't my intention! >> I thought you should just select one file (remember its name), delete it, >> unmount, remount and see if the file is still there. >> So you can be sure that you really have a different issue than just performance. >> Trying to delete a folder takes ages and you don't see the file names. > Definitely unmount, the sectors sometimes don't write to disk for > quite a while, and your unmount should take a few seconds to more than > a minute and so unmount and wait till it returns, and then remount and > see what happens. > It appears the cards I have is faster or something.  ;-)  Those class 10 cards are the fastest I think.  I got them since it throws video onto the card.  I got one that should work fine in a video camera, since one trail camera is essentially that.  I used Device Notifier to unmount.  It took it a second or so but it said it was safe to remove.  From my understanding, it syncs the file system before unmounting, right?  Surely it wouldn't unmount if the files were still being changed, right?  I may change the cards tomorrow and do some more testing.  I'm curious as to what is up with them.  I wasn't sure if that is a sign they are going bad or just some weird quirk.  I'll try deleting just a couple pics or a single video and see what it does.  I'm not sure it will matter but it's worth testing to see. I'm curious if nothing else. ;-) Dale :-)  :-)  --------------C1CE8F9B78F8A215B24FCFD7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
John Covici wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 10:50:46 -0400,
Franz Fellner wrote:

On Sun Jun 21 09:21:36 2020, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

The cards I use are class 10, slow but pretty fast for the type of
card.  Generally, I can download several hundred MBs in a minute or
two.  Deleting sometimes over a 1,000 pics one at a time just isn't
feasible.  That could take a long time.

That wasn't my intention!
I thought you should just select one file (remember its name), delete it,
unmount, remount and see if the file is still there.
So you can be sure that you really have a different issue than just performance.
Trying to delete a folder takes ages and you don't see the file names.

Definitely unmount, the sectors sometimes don't write to disk for
quite a while, and your unmount should take a few seconds to more than
a minute and so unmount and wait till it returns, and then remount and
see what happens.


It appears the cards I have is faster or something.  ;-)  Those class 10 cards are the fastest I think.  I got them since it throws video onto the card.  I got one that should work fine in a video camera, since one trail camera is essentially that.  I used Device Notifier to unmount.  It took it a second or so but it said it was safe to remove.  From my understanding, it syncs the file system before unmounting, right?  Surely it wouldn't unmount if the files were still being changed, right? 

I may change the cards tomorrow and do some more testing.  I'm curious as to what is up with them.  I wasn't sure if that is a sign they are going bad or just some weird quirk. 

I'll try deleting just a couple pics or a single video and see what it does.  I'm not sure it will matter but it's worth testing to see. I'm curious if nothing else. ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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