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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.14 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------DB55499E5C3D5C32976FC9D0" X-Archives-Salt: f9e03ec3-0385-4afe-8991-1022e28db527 X-Archives-Hash: 6cb7bfd08b069d28f1e44cd13e2290cf This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DB55499E5C3D5C32976FC9D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 6:55 PM Dale > wrote: > > > > Dale wrote: > > > > > > Interesting info.  Since this is a duplicate copy already, I'm not to > > > worried about RAID stuff.  I'd rather have two separate backups > myself. > > > Store them in different places for even more safety.  Still, one of > > > these days.  ;-) > > > > > > I'm still getting this error. > > > > > > root@fireball ~ # mkdir /mnt/Backup/Videos > > > mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/mnt/Backup/Videos’: Permission denied > > > root@fireball ~ # > > > > > > I've tried every permission in every place I can find.  I have a user > > > set up, set permissions under storage and pools, all the little > > > directory thingys under it too.  It mounts so I'd think I got > everything > > > set up correctly in the Share section.  I actually followed a > guide and > > > I don't think I missed anything.  Still, I can't write anything to the > > > thing.  It mounts fine, even shows it is mounted rw.  I can't find > > > anything wrong on the puter or NAS ends.  This reminds me of the last > > > time I played with BSD.  It works so different, it just throws a > person > > > upside down and shakes them. > > > > > > I did switch to TrueNAS tho.  Thing is, I got the same result from > both, > > > exact same error.  Can't be a bug.  It has to be me.  No idea what I > > > missed but I bet I did.  lol  Just gonna keep banging on it.  :-D >  I do > > > like the GUI part.  That's pretty neat. > > > > > > Dale > > > > > > :-) :-) > > > > > > > > > Update.  I thought about just using Dolphin to play with the directory > > that's actually on the NAS.  I could create folders and files just fine > > with Dolphin.  Well, isn't that interesting.  Finally I found a comment > > with google that gave me a clue.  I needed to change the options I use > > with rsync plus it appears on my computer, I need to su to dale, same > > user as on NAS.  Now it works.  I can rsync my files over. > > > > Then I noticed something else.  The network card in the NAS box, it's a > > old 100MB card.  Has anyone ever poured cold molasses before?  Does > > waiting on leap year sound familiar?  ROFL  Just saying. > > > > Hey, at least I got the silly thing to work, slowly, but works.  :/ > > > > Dale > > > > :-)  :-) > > Congrats on making progress. > > Is this still FreeNAS or did you switch to TrueNAS Core? > > Yeah, 100Mb/S, or say 12MB/S takes days to move  > multiple Terrabytes. I did it inside of a screen session so that > I could disconnect and leave it running in the background > without having to watch cold molasses flow. I'm looking > to upgrade everything to 2.5Gb/S or higher one of these  > days but once the initial backup is done regular backups > are reasonably fast. > > I was disappointed in the info Frank found about not being > able to bond Pools, but it still makes me wonder if someone > could create a 14TB RAID0 outside of the pool and then bond  > that RAID0 with a 14TB drive to make a 14TB ZFS RAID1.  > > Not looking to do it myself though... ;-) > > - Mark Well, when I ran into the permission problem, I was going to start over anyway.  Figured if I was going to start over, may as well switch to TrueNAS while at it.  So, I switched.  I only used FreeNAS because it was the first one I found.  It was put on the USB stick ages ago. I'm keeping a eye out for a small hard drive, 250GB or something to use as the OS drive in the NAS.  I've read it wears out USB sticks pretty fast.  At first, I couldn't get both drives to add at the same time.  To work around that, I set up a pool with one drive.  I then went back and added the second drive.  Then it was both drives added together, like I do in LVM.  Then I did the file system thing, dataset I think they call it???  After a while, I shutdown the NAS.  I got on Ebay and ordered a 1GB network card.  Everything I have is 1GB so no need getting anything faster.  It should be a lot faster and may be about all the NAS rig can handle anyway. I haven't figured out how to encrypt it yet tho.  I need to research that.  Still, progress. Dale :-)  :-)  --------------DB55499E5C3D5C32976FC9D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Mark Knecht wrote:


On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 6:55 PM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dale wrote:
> >
> > Interesting info.  Since this is a duplicate copy already, I'm not to
> > worried about RAID stuff.  I'd rather have two separate backups myself.
> > Store them in different places for even more safety.  Still, one of
> > these days.  ;-)
> >
> > I'm still getting this error.
> >
> > root@fireball ~ # mkdir /mnt/Backup/Videos
> > mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/mnt/Backup/Videos’: Permission denied
> > root@fireball ~ #
> >
> > I've tried every permission in every place I can find.  I have a user
> > set up, set permissions under storage and pools, all the little
> > directory thingys under it too.  It mounts so I'd think I got everything
> > set up correctly in the Share section.  I actually followed a guide and
> > I don't think I missed anything.  Still, I can't write anything to the
> > thing.  It mounts fine, even shows it is mounted rw.  I can't find
> > anything wrong on the puter or NAS ends.  This reminds me of the last
> > time I played with BSD.  It works so different, it just throws a person
> > upside down and shakes them.
> >
> > I did switch to TrueNAS tho.  Thing is, I got the same result from both,
> > exact same error.  Can't be a bug.  It has to be me.  No idea what I
> > missed but I bet I did.  lol  Just gonna keep banging on it.  :-D  I do
> > like the GUI part.  That's pretty neat.
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > :-) :-)
> >
>
>
> Update.  I thought about just using Dolphin to play with the directory
> that's actually on the NAS.  I could create folders and files just fine
> with Dolphin.  Well, isn't that interesting.  Finally I found a comment
> with google that gave me a clue.  I needed to change the options I use
> with rsync plus it appears on my computer, I need to su to dale, same
> user as on NAS.  Now it works.  I can rsync my files over.
>
> Then I noticed something else.  The network card in the NAS box, it's a
> old 100MB card.  Has anyone ever poured cold molasses before?  Does
> waiting on leap year sound familiar?  ROFL  Just saying.
>
> Hey, at least I got the silly thing to work, slowly, but works.  :/
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)

Congrats on making progress.

Is this still FreeNAS or did you switch to TrueNAS Core?

Yeah, 100Mb/S, or say 12MB/S takes days to move 
multiple Terrabytes. I did it inside of a screen session so that
I could disconnect and leave it running in the background
without having to watch cold molasses flow. I'm looking
to upgrade everything to 2.5Gb/S or higher one of these 
days but once the initial backup is done regular backups
are reasonably fast.

I was disappointed in the info Frank found about not being
able to bond Pools, but it still makes me wonder if someone
could create a 14TB RAID0 outside of the pool and then bond 
that RAID0 with a 14TB drive to make a 14TB ZFS RAID1. 

Not looking to do it myself though... ;-)

- Mark

Well, when I ran into the permission problem, I was going to start over anyway.  Figured if I was going to start over, may as well switch to TrueNAS while at it.  So, I switched.  I only used FreeNAS because it was the first one I found.  It was put on the USB stick ages ago. I'm keeping a eye out for a small hard drive, 250GB or something to use as the OS drive in the NAS.  I've read it wears out USB sticks pretty fast. 

At first, I couldn't get both drives to add at the same time.  To work around that, I set up a pool with one drive.  I then went back and added the second drive.  Then it was both drives added together, like I do in LVM.  Then I did the file system thing, dataset I think they call it??? 

After a while, I shutdown the NAS.  I got on Ebay and ordered a 1GB network card.  Everything I have is 1GB so no need getting anything faster.  It should be a lot faster and may be about all the NAS rig can handle anyway.

I haven't figured out how to encrypt it yet tho.  I need to research that. 

Still, progress.

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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