From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HyC8k-0004dD-PA for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:34:55 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5CJW9kU010371; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:32:09 GMT Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5CJP4t8000951 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 19:25:05 GMT Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id p76so825417pyb for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:25:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c4XlQ0Pk5NFaBIx3+3eV6lXuFltXckvkrLFGe6PrQ4kJofLFFjtTiREq104Kk5EzILd0D0/0q8ynZZNWUdf9xyxN2W84+FJjiyb5rAnNLs++k9+XQAJQxCIev4N6w2tbyCZFszQfBk5rueaITi69JK2dqGGN8GbUQojykjrg3XI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Hso/YP+KNBcRdmxm1NKFGunG+QTvBMK4009VTbeRzImE1Q04QreAaF8xu4OzuHlm/YQCIu3cF84ObydDrmaYaqWQpFWERO2W5aLrPMvoxeovvkjtL47NmliGbFJ61auQxk1IvyqP5HghXwr1VaIerzKEssMIuyK/aJJGyw31op8= Received: by 10.64.204.19 with SMTP id b19mr12032395qbg.1181676304603; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.251.19 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 12:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8cd1ed20706121225k4ea86769pca722ccc6ce50450@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:25:04 +1200 From: "Kent Fredric" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid In-Reply-To: <20070612170809.GB19923@nibiru.local> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200706062034.23922.davividal@siscompar.com.br> <20070607000119.GF2575@nibiru.local> <46689309.5060903@gmail.com> <20070608140454.GD765@nibiru.local> <4669E562.5040905@gmail.com> <20070612170809.GB19923@nibiru.local> X-Archives-Salt: 7e45cef9-3967-4c02-9274-5bf6ffa2a6cd X-Archives-Hash: 5d0054689be31004a856068ee0b7deb2 On 6/13/07, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * b.n. wrote: > Let's take an different part of life, not computers, take policits. > I'm an elected representative. I have to decide lots of things here. > Normally somebody brings some proposable we should vote on. Usually > we talk about it before the vote (yeah, many people try to get their > issues stamped w/o discussions before complaints could be raised ;-O) > If I didn't fully understand the issue, I simply ask before voting. > Issues don't get kicked off the agenda (aka marked INVALID) because > the chairmain does not understand the whole thing. We rarely have > cases where we actually don't want to vote on specific things due > missing information or waiting for certain events. So we (by a vote) > take it from the agenda for a while and take it back ofter some time > (aka status NEEDINFO or LATER). > > We don't have something like bgz for that. Just pen+paper. But it > works quite good. Politics analogy breaks apart here on one point. In politics, you don't have several thousand proposals a day. If Politics did have that many proposals, and just any man & his dog could make a proposal, all the ones with NEEDINFO would grow faster than the heap of dung @ a sewage treatment station, and the percentage processed would get progressively a smaller percentile, and governments with all their bureaucratic red tape would get less done than they already do. Im guessing if they had as many proposal as BGO does, they would , like BGO, employ staff to filter the rubbish out. ( Cos you see, BugWranglers are not your head heirachy, they're just the entry level cleaner/rep who relays the information ), and that way, 10 year olds who want something for Christmas won't put his request onto the daily agenda and waste time. That way duplicate propositions are found and associated as such. That way proposals which dont even have enough info to get to council cos they cant hold their own water, or are obviously bogus ( ie: i propose we nuke ourselves ) or proposals which obviously don't affect a large enough part of the population , don't inundate the council and waste their time with unimportant issues, due to them not having a lot of free time. All you can do is be insistent and give more info, and keep un-invalidating them, and they'll eventually listen, or find another dev ( politician/rep/senator ) who will add weight to your claim and delegate it to the right place. Outside that, you can be a vigilante, and take the law into your own hands. Thats all there is to it :) -- Kent ruby -e '[1, 2, 4, 7, 0, 9, 5, 8, 3, 10, 11, 6, 12, 13].each{|x| print "enNOSPicAMreil kdrtf@gma.com"[(2*x)..(2*x+1)]}' -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list