[gentoo-user] [OT] BIOS Best settings (no o.c.) for ZEN 5 3600 / MSI Tomahawk max ?

[gentoo-user] [OT] BIOS Best settings (no o.c.) for ZEN 5 3600 / MSI Tomahawk max ?

[tuxic]

Hi,

I am trying to figure out the best settings (performance wise) for a
AMD Ryzen 5 3600 with a MSI Tomahawk max motherboard.

I don't want to overclock -- tweaking the bios is for finding
the optimal setting in oposite to waste performance via sub-optimal
settings like not activateing XMP profile and running the RAM at
JEDEC speeds instead of what the vendor guaranties.

Unfortunately, there are quite a view settings to which I didn't 
find any explanation, for what they are good.

Any help is very appreciated! :)

Cheers,
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] BIOS Best settings (no o.c.) for ZEN 5 3600 / MSI Tomahawk max ?

[Dale]

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tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to figure out the best settings (performance wise) for a
> AMD Ryzen 5 3600 with a MSI Tomahawk max motherboard.
>
> I don't want to overclock -- tweaking the bios is for finding
> the optimal setting in oposite to waste performance via sub-optimal
> settings like not activateing XMP profile and running the RAM at
> JEDEC speeds instead of what the vendor guaranties.
>
> Unfortunately, there are quite a view settings to which I didn't 
> find any explanation, for what they are good.
>
> Any help is very appreciated! :)
>
> Cheers,
> Meino

I usually buy boards that can overclock but don't do it.  What I usually
look for once I get my CPU, memory and all installed, the selection for
optimized settings or something to that effect.  I've always found that
that setting works pretty darn well.  I had to tweak the IOMMU or
something setting but other than that, I let it detect the best
settings.  If I upgrade the BIOS, I repeat that on the first boot up. 
In my experience, it picks good safe settings that result in stable
systems. 

I've never had a MSI mobo, yet, so it may be called something different
but even Dell and Gateway usually have something similar to choose.  It
may be worth looking into . 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] BIOS Best settings (no o.c.) for RYZEN 5 3600 / MSI Tomahawk max ?

[tuxic]

On 05/16 12:46, Dale wrote:
> tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am trying to figure out the best settings (performance wise) for a
> > AMD Ryzen 5 3600 with a MSI Tomahawk max motherboard.
> >
> > I don't want to overclock -- tweaking the bios is for finding
> > the optimal setting in oposite to waste performance via sub-optimal
> > settings like not activateing XMP profile and running the RAM at
> > JEDEC speeds instead of what the vendor guaranties.
> >
> > Unfortunately, there are quite a view settings to which I didn't 
> > find any explanation, for what they are good.
> >
> > Any help is very appreciated! :)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Meino
> 
> I usually buy boards that can overclock but don't do it.  What I usually
> look for once I get my CPU, memory and all installed, the selection for
> optimized settings or something to that effect.  I've always found that
> that setting works pretty darn well.  I had to tweak the IOMMU or
> something setting but other than that, I let it detect the best
> settings.  If I upgrade the BIOS, I repeat that on the first boot up. 
> In my experience, it picks good safe settings that result in stable
> systems. 
> 
> I've never had a MSI mobo, yet, so it may be called something different
> but even Dell and Gateway usually have something similar to choose.  It
> may be worth looking into . 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 

Hi Dale,

thanks for your info! :)

I think it is called "Auto" with the MSI bios.
When using this, JEDEC timings and a command rate of 2
instead of 1 are choosen for DDR4 (as an example)...which
isn't optimal.

These "Auto" were the reason for better settings.
I think I have to tweak the bios settings by hand...

Cheers!
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] BIOS Best settings (no o.c.) for RYZEN 5 3600 / MSI Tomahawk max ?

[Dale]

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tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> On 05/16 12:46, Dale wrote:
>> tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am trying to figure out the best settings (performance wise) for a
>>> AMD Ryzen 5 3600 with a MSI Tomahawk max motherboard.
>>>
>>> I don't want to overclock -- tweaking the bios is for finding
>>> the optimal setting in oposite to waste performance via sub-optimal
>>> settings like not activateing XMP profile and running the RAM at
>>> JEDEC speeds instead of what the vendor guaranties.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, there are quite a view settings to which I didn't 
>>> find any explanation, for what they are good.
>>>
>>> Any help is very appreciated! :)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Meino
>> I usually buy boards that can overclock but don't do it.  What I usually
>> look for once I get my CPU, memory and all installed, the selection for
>> optimized settings or something to that effect.  I've always found that
>> that setting works pretty darn well.  I had to tweak the IOMMU or
>> something setting but other than that, I let it detect the best
>> settings.  If I upgrade the BIOS, I repeat that on the first boot up. 
>> In my experience, it picks good safe settings that result in stable
>> systems. 
>>
>> I've never had a MSI mobo, yet, so it may be called something different
>> but even Dell and Gateway usually have something similar to choose.  It
>> may be worth looking into . 
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
> Hi Dale,
>
> thanks for your info! :)
>
> I think it is called "Auto" with the MSI bios.
> When using this, JEDEC timings and a command rate of 2
> instead of 1 are choosen for DDR4 (as an example)...which
> isn't optimal.
>
> These "Auto" were the reason for better settings.
> I think I have to tweak the bios settings by hand...
>
> Cheers!
> Meino
>

Maybe for once I got lucky and something worked.  ROFL  I once visited
the overclockers forum and found a listing for the "safe" settings for
all sorts of Mobo and CPU and memory combinations.  That was back in my
ABIT NF7?? days.  I don't know if they still post those or not.  The
overclockers forum isn't just about overclocking.  They have info on
what is considered safe as well.  May be worth searching for info there
as well as what people share here.  If you lucky, someone has the same
hardware you have and can share a screenshot or something. 

This is a link to the home page.  You can get to the forums as well as
how-tos and such from there. 

https://www.overclockers.com/

Hope that helps.  Even one piece of good info can make it worthwhile. 
You don't want the smoke to get out of a chip or something.  o_O

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] BIOS Best settings (no o.c.) for RYZEN 5 3600 / MSI Tomahawk max ?

[tuxic]

On 05/16 01:04, Dale wrote:
> tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> > On 05/16 12:46, Dale wrote:
> >> tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I am trying to figure out the best settings (performance wise) for a
> >>> AMD Ryzen 5 3600 with a MSI Tomahawk max motherboard.
> >>>
> >>> I don't want to overclock -- tweaking the bios is for finding
> >>> the optimal setting in oposite to waste performance via sub-optimal
> >>> settings like not activateing XMP profile and running the RAM at
> >>> JEDEC speeds instead of what the vendor guaranties.
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately, there are quite a view settings to which I didn't 
> >>> find any explanation, for what they are good.
> >>>
> >>> Any help is very appreciated! :)
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Meino
> >> I usually buy boards that can overclock but don't do it.  What I usually
> >> look for once I get my CPU, memory and all installed, the selection for
> >> optimized settings or something to that effect.  I've always found that
> >> that setting works pretty darn well.  I had to tweak the IOMMU or
> >> something setting but other than that, I let it detect the best
> >> settings.  If I upgrade the BIOS, I repeat that on the first boot up. 
> >> In my experience, it picks good safe settings that result in stable
> >> systems. 
> >>
> >> I've never had a MSI mobo, yet, so it may be called something different
> >> but even Dell and Gateway usually have something similar to choose.  It
> >> may be worth looking into . 
> >>
> >> Dale
> >>
> >> :-)  :-) 
> > Hi Dale,
> >
> > thanks for your info! :)
> >
> > I think it is called "Auto" with the MSI bios.
> > When using this, JEDEC timings and a command rate of 2
> > instead of 1 are choosen for DDR4 (as an example)...which
> > isn't optimal.
> >
> > These "Auto" were the reason for better settings.
> > I think I have to tweak the bios settings by hand...
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Meino
> >
> 
> Maybe for once I got lucky and something worked.  ROFL  I once visited
> the overclockers forum and found a listing for the "safe" settings for
> all sorts of Mobo and CPU and memory combinations.  That was back in my
> ABIT NF7?? days.  I don't know if they still post those or not.  The
> overclockers forum isn't just about overclocking.  They have info on
> what is considered safe as well.  May be worth searching for info there
> as well as what people share here.  If you lucky, someone has the same
> hardware you have and can share a screenshot or something. 
> 
> This is a link to the home page.  You can get to the forums as well as
> how-tos and such from there. 
> 
> https://www.overclockers.com/
> 
> Hope that helps.  Even one piece of good info can make it worthwhile. 
> You don't want the smoke to get out of a chip or something.  o_O
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 

Hi Dale,

without your help/info I would have NEVER checked an overclockers
forum for information about the direct opposite of it ! ;)

Thanks a lot, Dale! Will grep the forum there!

Cheers!
Meino

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] BIOS Best settings (no o.c.) for RYZEN 5 3600 / MSI Tomahawk max ?

[Michael]

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On Saturday, 16 May 2020 13:53:00 BST tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> On 05/16 01:04, Dale wrote:
> > tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> > > On 05/16 12:46, Dale wrote:
> > >> tuxic@posteo.de wrote:
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>> 
> > >>> I am trying to figure out the best settings (performance wise) for a
> > >>> AMD Ryzen 5 3600 with a MSI Tomahawk max motherboard.
> > >>> 
> > >>> I don't want to overclock -- tweaking the bios is for finding
> > >>> the optimal setting in oposite to waste performance via sub-optimal
> > >>> settings like not activateing XMP profile and running the RAM at
> > >>> JEDEC speeds instead of what the vendor guaranties.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Unfortunately, there are quite a view settings to which I didn't
> > >>> find any explanation, for what they are good.
> > >>> 
> > >>> Any help is very appreciated! :)
> > >>> 
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Meino
> > >> 
> > >> I usually buy boards that can overclock but don't do it.  What I
> > >> usually
> > >> look for once I get my CPU, memory and all installed, the selection for
> > >> optimized settings or something to that effect.  I've always found that
> > >> that setting works pretty darn well.  I had to tweak the IOMMU or
> > >> something setting but other than that, I let it detect the best
> > >> settings.  If I upgrade the BIOS, I repeat that on the first boot up. 
> > >> In my experience, it picks good safe settings that result in stable
> > >> systems. 
> > >> 
> > >> I've never had a MSI mobo, yet, so it may be called something different
> > >> but even Dell and Gateway usually have something similar to choose.  It
> > >> may be worth looking into . 
> > >> 
> > >> Dale
> > >> 
> > >> :-)  :-) 
> > > 
> > > Hi Dale,
> > > 
> > > thanks for your info! :)
> > > 
> > > I think it is called "Auto" with the MSI bios.
> > > When using this, JEDEC timings and a command rate of 2
> > > instead of 1 are choosen for DDR4 (as an example)...which
> > > isn't optimal.
> > > 
> > > These "Auto" were the reason for better settings.
> > > I think I have to tweak the bios settings by hand...
> > > 
> > > Cheers!
> > > Meino
> > 
> > Maybe for once I got lucky and something worked.  ROFL  I once visited
> > the overclockers forum and found a listing for the "safe" settings for
> > all sorts of Mobo and CPU and memory combinations.  That was back in my
> > ABIT NF7?? days.  I don't know if they still post those or not.  The
> > overclockers forum isn't just about overclocking.  They have info on
> > what is considered safe as well.  May be worth searching for info there
> > as well as what people share here.  If you lucky, someone has the same
> > hardware you have and can share a screenshot or something. 
> > 
> > This is a link to the home page.  You can get to the forums as well as
> > how-tos and such from there. 
> > 
> > https://www.overclockers.com/
> > 
> > Hope that helps.  Even one piece of good info can make it worthwhile. 
> > You don't want the smoke to get out of a chip or something.  o_O
> > 
> > Dale
> > 
> > :-)  :-) 
> 
> Hi Dale,
> 
> without your help/info I would have NEVER checked an overclockers
> forum for information about the direct opposite of it ! ;)
> 
> Thanks a lot, Dale! Will grep the forum there!
> 
> Cheers!
> Meino

Clicking on Auto, or default settings should give you a system which boots, 
but may be suboptimal compared to the capabilities of your hardware.  I don't 
have the same hardware with you to compare notes, but the way I go about it is 
I increase the RAM frequency to the maximum the DRAM manufacturer recommends, 
dialing back the DRAM timings as necessary to ensure stability.  I also 
increase the CPU frequency, by adding to the CPU voltage offset but again 
within reason - the idea is to let it run at frequencies it was designed for, 
rather than cook the chip.  With minimal tweaking like that I get a high 
performing CPU/RAM combo, but always with stability, way below maximum 
voltages and frequencies.

The other thing I avoid is clicking on any auto-O/C 'performance' settings.  I 
have found they increase the voltage unnecessarily and often create an 
unstable system and a noisy cooling fan.  It goes without saying an 
aftermarket CPU cooler is a must before you start pushing your MoBo.

If you google and check youtube.com you'll see what people get up to with your 
hardware, but always use your judgment and err on the side of caution.  
Overclockers tend to boast how close to destruction they have pushed their 
hardware, until the next model is released - so their settings are typically 
an example of what you should avoid rather than emulate.

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