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Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:33:14 -0300
From: "Daniel van Ham Colchete" <daniel.colchete@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Remote administration of a server
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On 5/14/07, Hans-Werner Hilse <hilse@web.de> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:42:45 -0300
> "Daniel van Ham Colchete" <daniel.colchete@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thinking about other options, does anyone have any other tip for me? Am
> I
> > going in the right direction?
>
> The two options you've mentioned are quite different. One gives console
> access, the other basically cures HD fails. The latter is clearly a job
> for your hosting company, I think. And there's an old, proven way for
> the task "console access": forget about that graphics output on that
> computer and learn to trust in good ol' serial connections :-)
> certainly cheaper than KVM-over-IP.
>
> Another option would be for the servers to default to netbooting and
> fall back to HD on boot. Then you were able to switch on the service
> offering the netboot images on some fall-back servers on-demand. I
> think this is somewhat like your USB idea. Or generally use netboot (w/
> redundant servers) and forget about the HD fails alltogether (i.e.,
> have some remote login program in your initrd).
>
> All these options still won't give you the opportunity to power-cycle
> your machines, which might be the only option left under some
> circumstances. A hw watchdog can probably reduce the impact of that
> problem a lot.
>
> -hwh
> --
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>
Hi Hans!

Yeah! Direct netboot is a very nice idea too... I can't to it with one kind
of server I'll have but with the clustered ones that I'll be nice! To
improve reliability I could make a copy of a healthy image to the node's
hard drive every time it boots, so it's not dependent on a NFS server all
the time (just to boot).


Best
Daniel

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On 5/14/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Hans-Werner Hilse</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:hilse@web.de">hilse@web.de</a>&gt; wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi,<br><br>On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:42:45 -0300<br>&quot;Daniel van Ham Colchete&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.colchete@gmail.com">daniel.colchete@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>&gt; Thinking about other options, does anyone have any other tip for me? Am I
<br>&gt; going in the right direction?<br><br>The two options you&#39;ve mentioned are quite different. One gives console<br>access, the other basically cures HD fails. The latter is clearly a job<br>for your hosting company, I think. And there&#39;s an old, proven way for
<br>the task &quot;console access&quot;: forget about that graphics output on that<br>computer and learn to trust in good ol&#39; serial connections :-)<br>certainly cheaper than KVM-over-IP.<br><br>Another option would be for the servers to default to netbooting and
<br>fall back to HD on boot. Then you were able to switch on the service<br>offering the netboot images on some fall-back servers on-demand. I<br>think this is somewhat like your USB idea. Or generally use netboot (w/<br>
redundant servers) and forget about the HD fails alltogether (i.e.,<br>have some remote login program in your initrd).<br><br>All these options still won&#39;t give you the opportunity to power-cycle<br>your machines, which might be the only option left under some
<br>circumstances. A hw watchdog can probably reduce the impact of that<br>problem a lot.<br><br>-hwh<br>--<br><a href="mailto:gentoo-user@gentoo.org">gentoo-user@gentoo.org</a> mailing list<br><br></blockquote></div><br>
Hi Hans!<br><br>Yeah! Direct netboot is a very nice idea too... I can&#39;t to it with one kind of server I&#39;ll have but with the clustered ones that I&#39;ll be nice! To improve reliability I could make a copy of a healthy image to the node&#39;s hard drive every time it boots, so it&#39;s not dependent on a  NFS server all the time (just to boot). 
<br><br><br>Best<br>Daniel<br>

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