From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-63986-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@gentoo.org>) id 1Ho3qi-0004C0-1B for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 20:42:24 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l4FKdws4014268; Tue, 15 May 2007 20:39:58 GMT Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.233]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l4FKXFUf006123 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 15 May 2007 20:33:16 GMT Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id x7so280287nzc for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:33:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jsRiCltryxyhClrrhHAqRL8N+xvtRVYLSdcPf9O5/hoDy96aAMEfHjmuoK+bNP4NlOe/Kgi4ZrSxmTdc35xQ4SP3hSQXtJLj09746CpiYmsw4tWZC6MpsIfBFXuKkAah9V8R/tZ+MU/IKpiowu3uDCXcBsijyuL1XJPXv2BuGkg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IcHYWXDr7xOyJiVZi0A5TG3fwz05QxmBNrC8FrJbbn73OlEW+T0FlXdEn7vtv58+/9RBb5UWJhVR0iIFgCiowJj+haEqaK1EYfJihg1ByVMz8sDlQL8uBGjpJMADCOQmyRrOWOfxxunPmy65eLYZmxj7OMdHgqSl500ougGqD3c= Received: by 10.114.126.1 with SMTP id y1mr1614476wac.1179261195031; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.169.7 with HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8a0c7af10705151333m4d3bd550ge596fd8c90c8bdf3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:33:14 -0300 From: "Daniel van Ham Colchete" <daniel.colchete@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Remote administration of a server In-Reply-To: <20070514213157.639d82b2.hilse@web.de> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10733_14596719.1179261194936" References: <8a0c7af10705141142u5a251a8fkfe90723e7952337e@mail.gmail.com> <20070514213157.639d82b2.hilse@web.de> X-Archives-Salt: deb1c544-cba2-46f9-9195-abcbf0e3c395 X-Archives-Hash: e1813f1391da5e8b90f8aa5ab86be3b5 ------=_Part_10733_14596719.1179261194936 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 5/14/07, Hans-Werner Hilse <hilse@web.de> wrote: > > Hi, > > On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:42:45 -0300 > "Daniel van Ham Colchete" <daniel.colchete@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thinking about other options, does anyone have any other tip for me? Am > I > > going in the right direction? > > The two options you've mentioned are quite different. One gives console > access, the other basically cures HD fails. The latter is clearly a job > for your hosting company, I think. And there's an old, proven way for > the task "console access": forget about that graphics output on that > computer and learn to trust in good ol' serial connections :-) > certainly cheaper than KVM-over-IP. > > Another option would be for the servers to default to netbooting and > fall back to HD on boot. Then you were able to switch on the service > offering the netboot images on some fall-back servers on-demand. I > think this is somewhat like your USB idea. Or generally use netboot (w/ > redundant servers) and forget about the HD fails alltogether (i.e., > have some remote login program in your initrd). > > All these options still won't give you the opportunity to power-cycle > your machines, which might be the only option left under some > circumstances. A hw watchdog can probably reduce the impact of that > problem a lot. > > -hwh > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > Hi Hans! Yeah! Direct netboot is a very nice idea too... I can't to it with one kind of server I'll have but with the clustered ones that I'll be nice! To improve reliability I could make a copy of a healthy image to the node's hard drive every time it boots, so it's not dependent on a NFS server all the time (just to boot). Best Daniel ------=_Part_10733_14596719.1179261194936 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 5/14/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Hans-Werner Hilse</b> <<a href="mailto:hilse@web.de">hilse@web.de</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi,<br><br>On Mon, 14 May 2007 15:42:45 -0300<br>"Daniel van Ham Colchete" <<a href="mailto:daniel.colchete@gmail.com">daniel.colchete@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Thinking about other options, does anyone have any other tip for me? Am I <br>> going in the right direction?<br><br>The two options you've mentioned are quite different. One gives console<br>access, the other basically cures HD fails. The latter is clearly a job<br>for your hosting company, I think. And there's an old, proven way for <br>the task "console access": forget about that graphics output on that<br>computer and learn to trust in good ol' serial connections :-)<br>certainly cheaper than KVM-over-IP.<br><br>Another option would be for the servers to default to netbooting and <br>fall back to HD on boot. Then you were able to switch on the service<br>offering the netboot images on some fall-back servers on-demand. I<br>think this is somewhat like your USB idea. Or generally use netboot (w/<br> redundant servers) and forget about the HD fails alltogether (i.e.,<br>have some remote login program in your initrd).<br><br>All these options still won't give you the opportunity to power-cycle<br>your machines, which might be the only option left under some <br>circumstances. A hw watchdog can probably reduce the impact of that<br>problem a lot.<br><br>-hwh<br>--<br><a href="mailto:gentoo-user@gentoo.org">gentoo-user@gentoo.org</a> mailing list<br><br></blockquote></div><br> Hi Hans!<br><br>Yeah! Direct netboot is a very nice idea too... I can't to it with one kind of server I'll have but with the clustered ones that I'll be nice! To improve reliability I could make a copy of a healthy image to the node's hard drive every time it boots, so it's not dependent on a NFS server all the time (just to boot). <br><br><br>Best<br>Daniel<br> ------=_Part_10733_14596719.1179261194936-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list