From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Gx5sU-0000Af-DN for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:09:18 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id kBKI4RS1023846; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:04:27 GMT Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBKHwr6T025970 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:58:54 GMT Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id z38so2181288ugc for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:58:54 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=likjqTSI6kFUQessMPucaHpeO2027CRPPOzCoGSWc9C4bd6y+6G1H8bgHzItw+FYSadQVMlNVjb3NvPeiABie+AaNaaZH5F6i1jtVjPCobPrg0HWBeU4SCStyQpECoXzckQlhQ10/GkGRza/IqH3JTCupEvBTj1Y85WLOWOqwAo= Received: by 10.82.127.15 with SMTP id z15mr119932buc.1166637534129; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.178.3 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 09:58:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8a0028260612200958s318c42b7kab66cfe1b828226a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 17:58:54 +0000 From: "Jeff Rollin" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy? In-Reply-To: <5bdc1c8b0612200942w454754b6qe35f44010cd00fbd@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5bdc1c8b0612200916p118815d3t2c69e08b83d97a98@mail.gmail.com> <3D60AF2712C16D42A38076E52FD6E3D23F0BCA@ukmcrdembx01.rd.astrazeneca.net> <5bdc1c8b0612200942w454754b6qe35f44010cd00fbd@mail.gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 46f22287-cdfa-4fda-8320-ce384c6c128f X-Archives-Hash: 78ab898a137798eb82c3821bddc949e4 On 20/12/06, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 12/20/06, Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D) wrote: > > > > I understand that every package is out there in some repository on the > > > web. I think Neil has pointed me toward it once or twice at least. The > > > problem is for a user type like me, and yes, I'm *purely* a user type, > > > it's a bit beyond my skillset today to go get it and build the overlay > > > myself. > > > > Is there, or could there be, a method for giving say 7 days notice for when an ebuild is going to be removed? Or, what about keeping removed ebuilds somewhere on the gentoo website or someplace for say 28 days. So if you want it, you can grab it and put it in an overlay or wherever. > > > > I'm sure this exists already. I don't know where it is but high level > users like Neil and others have pointed me at it before. > > My personal problem was not finding it but moving it to my machine and > creating the overlay. I'm not sure of directory structure. I don't > know all the files that have to be there and where. I don't know about > running digests, etc., and being a user I'm not all that interested in > that stuff. > > My thought was that if I had a directory that looked like portage but > held the old ebuilds then nothing gets removed - it just gets moved. I > could then moved that directory in this local repository to an overlay > and eix/portage would see it again. > > Anyway, thanks for the interest and the ideas. > > As for family members not a single one of them, except possibly my son > today could even have a chance of setting up a Linux box. My son's > first computer was RH when he was 6 or 7. Today's he's 14, runs > Gentoo, rips CDs, uses Aqualung & xmms. He *might* get through a RH > install but not Gentoo. It's not like Gentoo is the only distro out there. It's only worth starting from if you have (and are willing to take) the time to read the docs. It's not that Gentoo is so hard. It's that > none of them know anything about 'vi' so how could they even edit a > config file and give the system an IP address or point it at a name > server? (Maybe the graphical installer but I'd not let them try for > fear they'd wreck existing Windows installs trying to load it.) Well last time I installed Gentoo the default editor was nano...with all those lovely instructions on how to use it cluttering up the screen. Again, if you are going to take the time to READ the instructions, it's not hard. > > Sometimes it's the things experienced people take most for granted > that can be the most difficult for new people. Granted, but most people are capable of reading and typing (even two fingered typists). There are a lot more "consumer" gadgets that need manuals (at least for "higher-order functions") than just computers. Jeff -- Now, did you hear the news today? They say the danger's gone away But I can hear the marching feet Moving into the street Adapted from Genesis, "Land of Confusion" http://latedeveloperbasketcase.blogspot.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list