From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE1721382C5 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 14:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD8A5E0948; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 14:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw1.antarean.org (gw1.antarean.org [194.145.200.214]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BFEE08D6 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 14:42:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw1.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49k31D611Hz17QH for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:25:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from gw1.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gw1.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ni5uq26s0Xyd for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:25:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mailstore1.antarean.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw1.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49k31D3Tjbz16FG for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:25:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailstore1.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49k3Nt5NYxz15 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:42:54 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from mailstore1.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailstore1.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VNRlGM9DqzIA for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:42:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lan102.nl.antarean.org (lan102.nl.antarean.org [10.20.13.202]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mailstore1.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49k3Nt2jryzj for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:42:54 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=antarean.org; s=default; t=1591972974; bh=vM/0Gb/aDBhTHr0cfhHgMiY0TkhQQmm57hxA2ZmRaUk=; h=Date:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:From; b=H0SSGPYFDLC/PoDnLQ7rO2t0NXTI1YVVMAI/MRUFR9Ikwi9HcooEw/bQyxDY26mWX 5LL//WRnj/f6HXJY51ECYp4jSH53tdDUtgvwZA3zbjA+TARJj2lcvKhsdUl838kn1b fzXzUT3OXXcPQn09E7IMWQJvUgNPLuf9i3swrTdk= Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 16:42:52 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <2027654.irdbgypaU6@lenovo.localdomain> References: <9ed9c401-7066-9c6d-8ce4-2ee94a1b903e@web.de> <1c440e09-c19b-0149-058b-21030a4bac8a@users.sourceforge.net> <2027654.irdbgypaU6@lenovo.localdomain> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] "masked by: EAPI 7" trying up update "portage" - how to proceed To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: "J. Roeleveld" Message-ID: <8DB0135C-B7DC-4BDF-B582-71E72FAA412F@antarean.org> X-Archives-Salt: 15130ba3-f439-4962-82ee-3d6f0ea5232a X-Archives-Hash: 7a9f927be0fae75e80194c85d2b3dbf6 On 12 June 2020 16:38:28 CEST, Michael wrote: >On Friday, 12 June 2020 15:00:25 BST Jack wrote: >> On 6/12/20 9:49 AM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 4:00 AM n952162 wrote: >> >> On 2020-06-12 08:40, n952162 wrote: >> >>>> BTW, is it becoming clear why it is best to update Gentoo at >least >> >>>> ever few months? :) >> >>>=20 >> >>> Well, yes, but it's really pretty onerous=2E If you have gentoo in >> >>> embedded systems, you've got to spend considerable administrative >effort >> >>> in each one just maintaining the status quo=2E >> >>>=20 >> >>> I mean, there's no competition to gentoo, of course=2E But a >design goal >> >>> could be to have a one-step sync, of some sort=2E >> >>=20 >> >> Maybe one way to work in that direction would be to have regular - >say, >> >> yearly - "releases", kind of like other distributions do, but on >an >> >> ebuild basis, re-establishing a common base point=2E >> >=20 >> > Well, you already can just use a snapshot of the repository from >any >> > date in time, though things like patches might not be mirrored any >> > longer so that isn't a perfect solution=2E >> >=20 >> > Ultimately if there was enough interest in something like this the >> > solution would probably be another distro that just repackages >Gentoo >> > in a release-based format=2E Release-based distros have their pros >and >> > cons, but they're definitely a better fit for some problems=2E >> >=20 >> > One of the issues with Gentoo is that it is fairly niche and so you >> > don't have the manpower to support 47 forks=2E With Debian you have >a >> > bazillion derivatives - half of them are just bundling a different >set >> > of default packages=2E Ubuntu has a Desktop and Server version of >the >> > distro, and they also have flavors for various desktop >environments=2E >> > Gentoo basically has just barely enough manpower to support having >> > Gentoo=2E We try to accommodate as much choice as possible in how it >> > gets used which is why this model works as well as it does=2E=20 >However, >> > we can't support having a Gentoo flavor that is GPL-only, or >GPL-free, >> > or FOSS-only, or no-systemd-in-the-repo, or initial install >optimized >> > for people who read braille=2E You can actually tailor Gentoo >towards >> > just about any of those directions with some config file tweaks, >but >> > you can't just pick the one of 300 iso images that most closely fit >> > your needs and run the autoinstaller and forget about it=2E >>=20 >> What about some sort of tagging? Not bundling or packaging, just >> occasional (quarterly?) labels, with a matrix indicating how >difficult >> it would be to upgrade=2E A hint to folks who tend to update less >often >> than they should=2E A "heads up" that things added or upgraded in the >> past quarter are going to be very difficult to do if you are starting >> with something more than three/five/=2E=2E=2E? quarters older than that= =2E=20 >Of >> course, I suppose if you read the news items as they are released, >then >> you should have a pretty good idea of which of them are likely to >bite >> you if you wait too long=2E > >Perhaps I misunderstand this, but isn't it as simple as booting off a >LiveCD/ >USB, chrooting, changing profiles, cleaning up world file and letting >rip with=20 >a full 'emerge -e' @system, followed by @world for good measure? It might work when moving fron 13=2E0 to 17=2E0=2E But 17=2E1 required a seperate tool that actually migrated libraries aroun= d the filesystem=2E I doubt it can be handled reliably that way=2E I would rebuild from scratch, copying any config files across=2E -- Joost --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E