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Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.17.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------D82EFC036A56DA1B1FD4187B" X-Archives-Salt: 864b549d-0c5a-4dae-b84e-0a23b5c9190e X-Archives-Hash: 5cd5b4f4d84f8016f85384fb6cdf8aa7 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------D82EFC036A56DA1B1FD4187B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 11:07 AM Dale > wrote: > > > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 9:41 AM Dale > wrote: > > > > > > > > Well, the 770T now has Gentoo on it.  As usual, my fresh built kernel > > > booted the very first time without error and every thing worked. > > > Sometimes, things go right.  ROFL  I have to say tho, I wish they > would > > > split the install docs into two parts.  One for old BIOS and one > for the > > > efi thingy.  It was confusing in a couple places but I got there.  > Maybe > > > some color coding would help??? > > > > > > > > > Congrats. I hope it goes well. > > > > There are still times I wish I was running Gentoo - the documentation, > > camaraderie and deep technical knowledge of the group, but I just > > don't have time or patience to iron out issues with applications when > > Gentoo isn't a supported distro. Still, for something like a NAS box it > > makes sense if everything you run is sour\ce code coming from the > > Gentoo code stores. > > > > Cheers, > > Mark > > > > > > > > Ubuntu had a few points where it waited for a while.  A couple > times, it had a two minute wait which makes the boot time pretty long. > > I suspect that's a bit of a red herring. Ubuntu's default kernel > builds support for pretty much everything in the Linux hardware > universe so there's a lot of probing around for hardware you don't > have and then a whole lot of modules once you're up and running. My > desktop machine has 115 modules showing up in lsmod. If you put a > little bit of time into your kernel development then I suspect the > boot time would become much closer to what you see on Gentoo. > > After all, the kernel is the kernel. It doesn't belong to Gentoo or > Ubuntu. We're all running, more or less, the same kernel source code > and I suspect, by the time it gets to machine code, pretty much the > same bits for identical hardware. > > None the less I'm happy you're up and running. This wasn't the kernel.  It was doing something else.  I googled for it and others had the same issue but I never found where there was a fix.  Odd thing is, it didn't do it every time.  Just most of the time.  When I was having network problems, it added a few more wait times.  Once it took about 5 minutes from grub to a login prompt.  Yea, binary distros that come with their own kernels, they throw in the kitchen sink, bath tub and likely even a toilet.  If you have hardware that it doesn't recognize, you got a problem.  It could be the correct driver doesn't even exist if it is something really new.  There is pluses for Ubuntu but there are minuses too.  Ubuntu installs in mere minutes.  Gentoo takes a couple hours at least.  Ubuntu updates are really fast, no compiling, but also difficult to customize since no USE flags.  Gentoo takes a while but you can build exactly what you want with USE flags.  What is a plus or minus depends on the person I guess.  Some people just want it to come on and go to fakebook and could care less about anything else, including updates until fakebook doesn't work anymore.  ;-) Yea, I'm glad I got Gentoo on it too.  I can use tools I'm used to and hopefully it will be rock solid.  I'm thinking I may only update once a month.  After all, there isn't a whole lot installed anyway.  Thanks to all.  :-D Dale :-)  :-)  --------------D82EFC036A56DA1B1FD4187B Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Mark Knecht wrote:


On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 11:07 AM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 9:41 AM Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> <SNIP>
> >
> > Well, the 770T now has Gentoo on it.  As usual, my fresh built kernel
> > booted the very first time without error and every thing worked.
> > Sometimes, things go right.  ROFL  I have to say tho, I wish they would
> > split the install docs into two parts.  One for old BIOS and one for the
> > efi thingy.  It was confusing in a couple places but I got there.  Maybe
> > some color coding would help???
> >
> <SNIP>
>
> Congrats. I hope it goes well.
>
> There are still times I wish I was running Gentoo - the documentation,
> camaraderie and deep technical knowledge of the group, but I just
> don't have time or patience to iron out issues with applications when
> Gentoo isn't a supported distro. Still, for something like a NAS box it
> makes sense if everything you run is sour\ce code coming from the
> Gentoo code stores.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>
>
>
> Ubuntu had a few points where it waited for a while.  A couple times, it had a two minute wait which makes the boot time pretty long.

I suspect that's a bit of a red herring. Ubuntu's default kernel builds support for pretty much everything in the Linux hardware universe so there's a lot of probing around for hardware you don't have and then a whole lot of modules once you're up and running. My desktop machine has 115 modules showing up in lsmod. If you put a little bit of time into your kernel development then I suspect the boot time would become much closer to what you see on Gentoo.

After all, the kernel is the kernel. It doesn't belong to Gentoo or Ubuntu. We're all running, more or less, the same kernel source code and I suspect, by the time it gets to machine code, pretty much the same bits for identical hardware.

None the less I'm happy you're up and running.


This wasn't the kernel.  It was doing something else.  I googled for it and others had the same issue but I never found where there was a fix.  Odd thing is, it didn't do it every time.  Just most of the time.  When I was having network problems, it added a few more wait times.  Once it took about 5 minutes from grub to a login prompt. 

Yea, binary distros that come with their own kernels, they throw in the kitchen sink, bath tub and likely even a toilet.  If you have hardware that it doesn't recognize, you got a problem.  It could be the correct driver doesn't even exist if it is something really new. 

There is pluses for Ubuntu but there are minuses too.  Ubuntu installs in mere minutes.  Gentoo takes a couple hours at least.  Ubuntu updates are really fast, no compiling, but also difficult to customize since no USE flags.  Gentoo takes a while but you can build exactly what you want with USE flags.  What is a plus or minus depends on the person I guess.  Some people just want it to come on and go to fakebook and could care less about anything else, including updates until fakebook doesn't work anymore.  ;-)

Yea, I'm glad I got Gentoo on it too.  I can use tools I'm used to and hopefully it will be rock solid.  I'm thinking I may only update once a month.  After all, there isn't a whole lot installed anyway. 

Thanks to all.  :-D

Dale

:-)  :-) 
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