[gentoo-user] kde update

[gentoo-user] kde update

[Alain DIDIERJEAN]

Trying to update from kde4.5 to kde4.6
A simple "emerge -uD world" gives:

[ebuild     U ] x11-libs/qt-core-4.7.2-r1 [4.6.3-r1] USE="-jit% -private-headers%"
[ebuild     U ] x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2 [4.6.3-r2]
[blocks b     ] <x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2 ("<x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2" is blocking x11-libs/qt-test-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-svg-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-gui-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-core-4.7.2-r1, x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-multimedia-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-declarative-4.7.2-r1, x11-libs/qt-assistant-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-script-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.7.2)                                                                                                                          
[ebuild     U ] x11-libs/qt-test-4.7.2 [4.6.3]
[blocks b     ] <x11-libs/qt-test-4.7.2 ("<x11-libs/qt-test-4.7.2" is blocking x11-libs/qt-svg-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-gui-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-core-4.7.2-r1, x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-multimedia-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-declarative-4.7.2-r1, x11-libs/qt-assistant-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-script-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.7.2)                                                                                                                          
[ebuild     U ] x11-libs/qt-script-4.7.2 [4.6.3] USE="-jit% -private-headers%"
[blocks b     ] <x11-libs/qt-script-4.7.2 ("<x11-libs/qt-script-4.7.2" is blocking x11-libs/qt-test-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-svg-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-gui-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-core-4.7.2-r1, x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-declarative-4.7.2-r1, x11-libs/qt-assistant-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-multimedia-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.7.2)                                                                                                                        
[ebuild     U ] x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.7.2 [4.6.3]
[blocks b     ] <x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.7.2 ("<x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.7.2" is blocking x11-libs/qt-test-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-svg-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-gui-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-core-4.7.2-r1, x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-multimedia-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-declarative-4.7.2-r1, x11-libs/qt-assistant-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-script-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.7.2)                                                                                                                          
[ebuild     U ] x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.7.2 [4.6.3]
[blocks b     ] <x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.7.2 ("<x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.7.2" is blocking x11-libs/qt-test-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-svg-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-gui-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-core-4.7.2-r1, x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-multimedia-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-declarative-4.7.2-r1, x11-libs/qt-assistant-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-script-4.7.2)                                                                                                                  
[ebuild     U ] x11-libs/qt-gui-4.7.2 [4.6.3-r2] USE="-egl% -gtkstyle% -private-headers%"
[blocks b     ] <x11-libs/qt-gui-4.7.2 ("<x11-libs/qt-gui-4.7.2" is blocking x11-libs/qt-test-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-svg-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-core-4.7.2-r1, x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-multimedia-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-declarative-4.7.2-r1, x11-libs/qt-assistant-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-script-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.7.2)              
--------snip-------------
[uninstall    ^[[39;49;00m] kde-base/dragonplayer-4.4.5^[[39;49;00m
[blocks^[[39;49;00m b^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/dragonplayer:4.6[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/dragonplayer:4.6[-kdeprefix]" is blo$
[blocks^[[39;49;00m b^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/dragonplayer:4.4[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/dragonplayer:4.4[-kdeprefix]" is blo$
[ebuild^[[39;49;00m  NS^[[39;49;00m   ] kde-base/kruler-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m [4.4.5]^[[39;49;00m USE="handbook^[[39;49;00m (-aqua^[[39;49;00$
[uninstall    ^[[39;49;00m] kde-base/kruler-4.4.5^[[39;49;00m
[blocks^[[39;49;00m b^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/kruler:4.6[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/kruler:4.6[-kdeprefix]" is blocking kde-ba$
[blocks^[[39;49;00m b^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/kruler:4.4[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/kruler:4.4[-kdeprefix]" is blocking kde-ba$
[ebuild^[[39;49;00m  NS^[[39;49;00m   ] kde-base/libkipi-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m [4.4.5]^[[39;49;00m USE="(-aqua^[[39;49;00m) -debug^[[39;49;00$
[uninstall    ^[[39;49;00m] kde-base/libkipi-4.4.5^[[39;49;00m
--------snip-------------
blocks^[[39;49;00m b^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/kdeartwork-meta:4.6[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/kdeartwork-meta:4.6[-kdeprefix]" $
[ebuild^[[39;49;00m  NS^[[39;49;00m   ] kde-base/kde-meta-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m [4.4.5]^[[39;49;00m USE="nls^[[39;49;00m semantic-desktop^[[3$
[blocks^[[39;49;00m B^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/solid:4.4[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/solid:4.4[-kdeprefix]" is blocking kde-base$
[blocks^[[39;49;00m B^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/kdelibs:4.4[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/kdelibs:4.4[-kdeprefix]" is blocking kde-$
[blocks^[[39;49;00m B^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/libkworkspace:4.6[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/libkworkspace:4.6[-kdeprefix]" is b$
[blocks^[[39;49;00m B^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/solid:4.6[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/solid:4.6[-kdeprefix]" is blocking kde-base$
[blocks^[[39;49;00m B^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/kde-meta:4.6[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/kde-meta:4.6[-kdeprefix]" is blocking kd$
[blocks^[[39;49;00m B^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/libkworkspace:4.4[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/libkworkspace:4.4[-kdeprefix]" is b$
[blocks^[[39;49;00m B^[[39;49;00m     ] net-wireless/kbluetooth^[[39;49;00m ("net-wireless/kbluetooth" is blocking net-wireless/bluedevil$
[blocks^[[39;49;00m B^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/kde-meta:4.4[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/kde-meta:4.4[-kdeprefix]" is blocking kd$
[blocks^[[39;49;00m B^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/kdelibs:4.6[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/kdelibs:4.6[-kdeprefix]" is blocking kde-$
[blocks^[[39;49;00m B^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/kdelibs:4.4[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/kdelibs:4.4[-kdeprefix]" is blocking kde-$

 * ^[[39;49;00mError: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
 * ^[[39;49;00minstalled at the same time on the same system.

  (kde-base/kde-meta-4.4.5^[[39;49;00m, installed) pulled in by
    kde-base/kde-meta:4.4 required by @selected
    kde-base/kde-meta required by @selected

  (kde-base/plasma-runtime-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
    >=kde-base/plasma-runtime-4.6.2[-aqua,-kdeprefix] required by (kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.6.2-r1^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for m$
    >=kde-base/plasma-runtime-4.6.2[-aqua,-kdeprefix] required by (kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for $

  (kde-base/solid-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
    >=kde-base/solid-4.6.2[-aqua,-kdeprefix] required by (kde-base/kdebase-meta-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for merge)
    >=kde-base/solid-4.5 required by (media-gfx/digikam-1.9.0^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for merge)
    >=kde-base/solid-4.6.2[-aqua,-kdeprefix] required by (kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.6.2-r1^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for merge)
    (and 6 more)

  (net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2^[[39;49;00m, installed) pulled in by
    net-wireless/kbluetooth required by @selected

  (kde-base/kdontchangethehostname-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
    >=kde-base/kdontchangethehostname-4.6.2[-aqua,-kdeprefix] required by (kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m, ebuild schedu$

  (kde-base/kdelibs-4.6.2-r3^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
    >=kde-base/kdelibs-4.6.2[-aqua,-kdeprefix] required by (kde-base/kdeartwork-wallpapers-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for merge)
    >=kde-base/kdelibs-4.6.2[-aqua,-kdeprefix] required by (kde-base/kcheckpass-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for merge)
    >=kde-base/kdelibs-4.6.2[-aqua,-kdeprefix] required by (kde-base/kanagram-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for merge)
    (and 373 more)

  (kde-base/solid-runtime-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
    >=kde-base/solid-runtime-4.4.5[-aqua,-kdeprefix] required by (kde-base/solid-4.4.5^[[39;49;00m, installed)
    >=kde-base/solid-runtime-4.6.2[-aqua,-kdeprefix] required by (kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for m$
    >=kde-base/solid-runtime-4.6.2[-aqua,-kdeprefix] required by (kde-base/solid-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for merge)

  (kde-base/libkworkspace-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by
    >=kde-base/libkworkspace-4.6.2[-aqua,-kdeprefix] required by (kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.6.2-r1^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for me$
    >=kde-base/libkworkspace-4.6.2[-aqua,-kdeprefix] required by (kde-base/powerdevil-4.6.2-r1^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for merge)
    >=kde-base/libkworkspace-4.6.2[-aqua,-kdeprefix] required by (kde-base/kwin-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m, ebuild scheduled for merge)
    (and 13 more)


All together 982 lines as above.
Besides that, gentoo amd64 works fine on my box and I emerge everyday packages to upgrade, except those which are kde's.
Questions:
- what the hell is this mess, did I do something wrong ?
- have any of you got the same kind of troubles ?
- is there a way to go back to an up to date clean install, I mean besides reinstalling from scratch or going for Ubuntu ?
Reasons that make me go for gentoo 8 or 9 years ago:
- excellent docs. (as of to-day, some docs need updating);
- easyness of maintenance, no need for periodical reinstall (I'm not sure this time);
- stable packages are renewed in time, not too soon, not too late;
- portage works like a charm.
Hope I can get some help


-- 
                            
        Alain DIDIERJEAN      Puisque ces mystères nous dépassent
                           Feignons d'en être l'organisateur

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Mick]

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On Monday 30 May 2011 17:45:17 Alain DIDIERJEAN wrote:
> Trying to update from kde4.5 to kde4.6
> A simple "emerge -uD world" gives:
> 
> [ebuild     U ] x11-libs/qt-core-4.7.2-r1 [4.6.3-r1] USE="-jit%
> -private-headers%" [ebuild     U ] x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2 [4.6.3-r2]
> [blocks b     ] <x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2 ("<x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2" is
> blocking x11-libs/qt-test-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-svg-4.7.2,
[snip ...]

>     (and 13 more)
> 
> 
> All together 982 lines as above.
> Besides that, gentoo amd64 works fine on my box and I emerge everyday
> packages to upgrade, except those which are kde's. Questions:
> - what the hell is this mess, did I do something wrong ?

No, nothing wrong, new packages that the latest qt and kde4.6 want are being 
blocked by packages already installed.

> - have any of you got the same kind of troubles ?

Yes, I did on 3 different boxen.


> - is there a way to go back to an up to date clean install, I mean besides
> reinstalling from scratch or going for Ubuntu ? Reasons that make me go
> for gentoo 8 or 9 years ago:
> - excellent docs. (as of to-day, some docs need updating);
> - easyness of maintenance, no need for periodical reinstall (I'm not sure
> this time); - stable packages are renewed in time, not too soon, not too
> late; - portage works like a charm.
> Hope I can get some help

Don't panic!  What I did was to progressively uninstall the blockers and then 
run emerge -uaDv world.  Eventually there were no blockers, the latest qt was 
installed and then kde4.6.

Everything now is like a "clean new install" should be.

If you're running 2.2 portage there may be some automagic way of achieving 
this, but with portage-2.1.9.42 I had to do it manually.

HTH.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 30 May 2011 18:16:44 +0100, Mick wrote:

> Don't panic!  What I did was to progressively uninstall the blockers
> and then run emerge -uaDv world.  Eventually there were no blockers,
> the latest qt was installed and then kde4.6.

If the blockers are marked with a lower case b, portage will handle them
for you. It's only blockers marked with B that need manual intervention,
and I don't recall any of those with the QT upgrade.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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another game?

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Mick]

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On Monday 30 May 2011 20:02:06 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 30 May 2011 18:16:44 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > Don't panic!  What I did was to progressively uninstall the blockers
> > and then run emerge -uaDv world.  Eventually there were no blockers,
> > the latest qt was installed and then kde4.6.
> 
> If the blockers are marked with a lower case b, portage will handle them
> for you. It's only blockers marked with B that need manual intervention,
> and I don't recall any of those with the QT upgrade.

I had some upper case Bs on one of my boxen, the others were trouble-free.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> On Monday 30 May 2011 20:02:06 Neil Bothwick wrote:
>    
>> On Mon, 30 May 2011 18:16:44 +0100, Mick wrote:
>>      
>>> Don't panic!  What I did was to progressively uninstall the blockers
>>> and then run emerge -uaDv world.  Eventually there were no blockers,
>>> the latest qt was installed and then kde4.6.
>>>        
>> If the blockers are marked with a lower case b, portage will handle them
>> for you. It's only blockers marked with B that need manual intervention,
>> and I don't recall any of those with the QT upgrade.
>>      
> I had some upper case Bs on one of my boxen, the others were trouble-free.
>    

I had the same on my amd64 rig too.  I think I recall having to unmerge 
two packages on mine.  On my old x86 box, I think I had to unmerge 
several on it.  It was upgrading from a good bit older packages so that 
may have had something to do with it.

I guess YMMV says a lot on this issue.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Paul Hartman]

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Alain DIDIERJEAN
<alain.didierjean@free.fr> wrote:
> Trying to update from kde4.5 to kde4.6

I find that it is easier to unmerge old version :4.5 KDE, then emerge
the new version :4.6. Upgrade always seems to be a mess like that.

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Mark Knecht]

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Paul Hartman
<paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Alain DIDIERJEAN
> <alain.didierjean@free.fr> wrote:
>> Trying to update from kde4.5 to kde4.6
>
> I find that it is easier to unmerge old version :4.5 KDE, then emerge
> the new version :4.6. Upgrade always seems to be a mess like that.
>

Probably there's no real problem but I think in my recent machines if
I've chosen the KDE profile and try something like emerge -Cp kde-meta
then there are lots of warning messages about how I'm removing parts
of @system. It's unlikely (in my mind anyway) that anything would be
removed that stops one from doing the 4.6 emerge, but if one goes this
way they should look very carefully at what's getting taken out just
to make sure.

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 17:27 on Tuesday 31 May 2011, Mark Knecht did 
opine thusly:

> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Paul Hartman
> 
> <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Alain DIDIERJEAN
> > 
> > <alain.didierjean@free.fr> wrote:
> >> Trying to update from kde4.5 to kde4.6
> > 
> > I find that it is easier to unmerge old version :4.5 KDE, then emerge
> > the new version :4.6. Upgrade always seems to be a mess like that.
> 
> Probably there's no real problem but I think in my recent machines if
> I've chosen the KDE profile and try something like emerge -Cp kde-meta
> then there are lots of warning messages about how I'm removing parts
> of @system. It's unlikely (in my mind anyway) that anything would be
> removed that stops one from doing the 4.6 emerge, but if one goes this
> way they should look very carefully at what's getting taken out just
> to make sure.

You must have something badly wrong with your @system. kde-meta depends on:

RDEPEND="
        $(add_kdebase_dep kate)
        $(add_kdebase_dep kdeadmin-meta)
        $(add_kdebase_dep kdeartwork-meta)
        $(add_kdebase_dep kdebase-meta)
        $(add_kdebase_dep kdeedu-meta)
        $(add_kdebase_dep kdegames-meta)
        $(add_kdebase_dep kdegraphics-meta)
        $(add_kdebase_dep kdemultimedia-meta)
        $(add_kdebase_dep kdenetwork-meta)
        $(add_kdebase_dep kdeplasma-addons)
        $(add_kdebase_dep kdetoys-meta)
        $(add_kdebase_dep kdeutils-meta)
        accessibility? ( $(add_kdebase_dep kdeaccessibility-meta) )
        nls? ( $(add_kdebase_dep kde-l10n) )
        sdk? (
                $(add_kdebase_dep kdebindings-meta)
                $(add_kdebase_dep kdesdk-meta)
                $(add_kdebase_dep kdewebdev-meta)
        )
        semantic-desktop? ( || (
                ( $(add_kdebase_dep kdepim-meta '' 4.5.93) )
                ( $(add_kdebase_dep kdepim-meta '' 4.4.9) )
        ) )
"

A few extra packages and a lot of other meta packages. "emerge -Cp" will 
remove only that one package, it won;t even remove the deps.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 17:27 on Tuesday 31 May 2011, Mark Knecht did
> opine thusly:
>
>    
>> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Paul Hartman
>>
>> <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>      
>>> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Alain DIDIERJEAN
>>>
>>> <alain.didierjean@free.fr>  wrote:
>>>        
>>>> Trying to update from kde4.5 to kde4.6
>>>>          
>>> I find that it is easier to unmerge old version :4.5 KDE, then emerge
>>> the new version :4.6. Upgrade always seems to be a mess like that.
>>>        
>> Probably there's no real problem but I think in my recent machines if
>> I've chosen the KDE profile and try something like emerge -Cp kde-meta
>> then there are lots of warning messages about how I'm removing parts
>> of @system. It's unlikely (in my mind anyway) that anything would be
>> removed that stops one from doing the 4.6 emerge, but if one goes this
>> way they should look very carefully at what's getting taken out just
>> to make sure.
>>      
> You must have something badly wrong with your @system. kde-meta depends on:
>
> RDEPEND="
>          $(add_kdebase_dep kate)
>          $(add_kdebase_dep kdeadmin-meta)
>          $(add_kdebase_dep kdeartwork-meta)
>          $(add_kdebase_dep kdebase-meta)
>          $(add_kdebase_dep kdeedu-meta)
>          $(add_kdebase_dep kdegames-meta)
>          $(add_kdebase_dep kdegraphics-meta)
>          $(add_kdebase_dep kdemultimedia-meta)
>          $(add_kdebase_dep kdenetwork-meta)
>          $(add_kdebase_dep kdeplasma-addons)
>          $(add_kdebase_dep kdetoys-meta)
>          $(add_kdebase_dep kdeutils-meta)
>          accessibility? ( $(add_kdebase_dep kdeaccessibility-meta) )
>          nls? ( $(add_kdebase_dep kde-l10n) )
>          sdk? (
>                  $(add_kdebase_dep kdebindings-meta)
>                  $(add_kdebase_dep kdesdk-meta)
>                  $(add_kdebase_dep kdewebdev-meta)
>          )
>          semantic-desktop? ( || (
>                  ( $(add_kdebase_dep kdepim-meta '' 4.5.93) )
>                  ( $(add_kdebase_dep kdepim-meta '' 4.4.9) )
>          ) )
> "
>
> A few extra packages and a lot of other meta packages. "emerge -Cp" will
> remove only that one package, it won;t even remove the deps.
>
>
>    

Does anyone remember the discussion I had about kde packages being in 
the system set when doing a emerge -e system?  If I for example unmerge 
kde-meta then run --depclean, I bet I would get the error about system 
packages being removed.  It may be because of USE flags but this was 
what I was concerned about during the last discussion.  Having GUI 
packages, especially KDE, included in the system set, even if because of 
USE flags, is going to lead to problems at some point.

Or maybe I am reading all this wrong?

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Nils Larsson]

tisdagen den 31 maj 2011 22:00:28 skrev  Dale:
> Does anyone remember the discussion I had about kde packages being in
> the system set when doing a emerge -e system?  If I for example unmerge
> kde-meta then run --depclean, I bet I would get the error about system
> packages being removed.  It may be because of USE flags but this was
> what I was concerned about during the last discussion.  Having GUI
> packages, especially KDE, included in the system set, even if because of
> USE flags, is going to lead to problems at some point.
> 
> Or maybe I am reading all this wrong?
> 
> Dale

I assume you have "kde" enabled on sys-auth/polkit, that pulls in sys-
auth/polkit-kde-agent and sys-auth/polkit-kde. Thats all the qt-* and kdelibs 
packages.

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 22:00 on Tuesday 31 May 2011, Dale did opine 
thusly:

> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Apparently, though unproven, at 17:27 on Tuesday 31 May 2011, Mark Knecht
> > did
> > 
> > opine thusly:
> >> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Paul Hartman
> >> 
> >> <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >>> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Alain DIDIERJEAN
> >>> 
> >>> <alain.didierjean@free.fr>  wrote:
> >>>> Trying to update from kde4.5 to kde4.6
> >>> 
> >>> I find that it is easier to unmerge old version :4.5 KDE, then emerge
> >>> the new version :4.6. Upgrade always seems to be a mess like that.
> >> 
> >> Probably there's no real problem but I think in my recent machines if
> >> I've chosen the KDE profile and try something like emerge -Cp kde-meta
> >> then there are lots of warning messages about how I'm removing parts
> >> of @system. It's unlikely (in my mind anyway) that anything would be
> >> removed that stops one from doing the 4.6 emerge, but if one goes this
> >> way they should look very carefully at what's getting taken out just
> >> to make sure.
> > 
> > You must have something badly wrong with your @system. kde-meta depends
> > on:
> > 
> > RDEPEND="
> > 
> >          $(add_kdebase_dep kate)
> >          $(add_kdebase_dep kdeadmin-meta)
> >          $(add_kdebase_dep kdeartwork-meta)
> >          $(add_kdebase_dep kdebase-meta)
> >          $(add_kdebase_dep kdeedu-meta)
> >          $(add_kdebase_dep kdegames-meta)
> >          $(add_kdebase_dep kdegraphics-meta)
> >          $(add_kdebase_dep kdemultimedia-meta)
> >          $(add_kdebase_dep kdenetwork-meta)
> >          $(add_kdebase_dep kdeplasma-addons)
> >          $(add_kdebase_dep kdetoys-meta)
> >          $(add_kdebase_dep kdeutils-meta)
> >          accessibility? ( $(add_kdebase_dep kdeaccessibility-meta) )
> >          nls? ( $(add_kdebase_dep kde-l10n) )
> >          sdk? (
> >          
> >                  $(add_kdebase_dep kdebindings-meta)
> >                  $(add_kdebase_dep kdesdk-meta)
> >                  $(add_kdebase_dep kdewebdev-meta)
> >          
> >          )
> >          semantic-desktop? ( || (
> >          
> >                  ( $(add_kdebase_dep kdepim-meta '' 4.5.93) )
> >                  ( $(add_kdebase_dep kdepim-meta '' 4.4.9) )
> >          
> >          ) )
> > 
> > "
> > 
> > A few extra packages and a lot of other meta packages. "emerge -Cp" will
> > remove only that one package, it won;t even remove the deps.
> 
> Does anyone remember the discussion I had about kde packages being in
> the system set when doing a emerge -e system?  If I for example unmerge
> kde-meta then run --depclean, I bet I would get the error about system
> packages being removed.  It may be because of USE flags but this was
> what I was concerned about during the last discussion.  Having GUI
> packages, especially KDE, included in the system set, even if because of
> USE flags, is going to lead to problems at some point.
> 
> Or maybe I am reading all this wrong?

You understand it wrong.

system (or @system for portage versions that support sets) consists of the 
minimum collection of packages for a gentoo system to work at all. It is 
wholly inappropriate for even a profile to add kde to @system - even the kde 
profiles. All those do is set USE flags and an environment suitable for KDE to 
be install, the profile does not cause KDE to be install. You still need to 
emerge kde yourself.

Proof:

The contents of @system are defined by the various files called "packages" in 
the profile dir. But:

nazgul profiles # find . -name packages | xargs grep kde
nazgul profiles #

There is nothing you can do with USE flags that will cause stuff to be added 
to @system. That is not how it works.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Dale]

Nils Larsson wrote:
> tisdagen den 31 maj 2011 22:00:28 skrev  Dale:
>    
>> Does anyone remember the discussion I had about kde packages being in
>> the system set when doing a emerge -e system?  If I for example unmerge
>> kde-meta then run --depclean, I bet I would get the error about system
>> packages being removed.  It may be because of USE flags but this was
>> what I was concerned about during the last discussion.  Having GUI
>> packages, especially KDE, included in the system set, even if because of
>> USE flags, is going to lead to problems at some point.
>>
>> Or maybe I am reading all this wrong?
>>
>> Dale
>>      
> I assume you have "kde" enabled on sys-auth/polkit, that pulls in sys-
> auth/polkit-kde-agent and sys-auth/polkit-kde. Thats all the qt-* and kdelibs
> packages.
>
>    

My point and the previous discussion was about this:

root@fireball / # emerge -ep @system | grep kde
[ebuild   R   ~] kde-base/kde-env-4.6.3
[ebuild   R   ~] kde-base/oxygen-icons-4.6.3-r1
[ebuild   R   ~] kde-base/kdelibs-4.6.3-r1
[ebuild   R    ] sys-auth/polkit-kde-agent-0.99.0
[ebuild   R   ~] kde-base/nepomuk-4.6.3
[ebuild   R   ~] kde-base/kdesu-4.6.3
[ebuild   R   ~] kde-base/kfmclient-4.6.3
[ebuild   R   ~] kde-base/khelpcenter-4.6.3
[ebuild   R    ] kde-misc/polkit-kde-kcmodules-0.98_pre20101127
root@fireball / #

It's more than polkit that gets pulled in.  It is because of USE flags 
but they are still there.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 22:20 on Tuesday 31 May 2011, Nils Larsson did 
opine thusly:

> tisdagen den 31 maj 2011 22:00:28 skrev  Dale:
> > Does anyone remember the discussion I had about kde packages being in
> > the system set when doing a emerge -e system?  If I for example unmerge
> > kde-meta then run --depclean, I bet I would get the error about system
> > packages being removed.  It may be because of USE flags but this was
> > what I was concerned about during the last discussion.  Having GUI
> > packages, especially KDE, included in the system set, even if because of
> > USE flags, is going to lead to problems at some point.
> > 
> > Or maybe I am reading all this wrong?
> > 
> > Dale
> 
> I assume you have "kde" enabled on sys-auth/polkit, that pulls in sys-
> auth/polkit-kde-agent and sys-auth/polkit-kde. Thats all the qt-* and
> kdelibs packages.


It appears I was wrong after all.

Manners dictates that apologies to Dale are in order.

Sorry Dale.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 22:20 on Tuesday 31 May 2011, Nils Larsson did
> opine thusly:
>
>    
>> tisdagen den 31 maj 2011 22:00:28 skrev  Dale:
>>      
>>> Does anyone remember the discussion I had about kde packages being in
>>> the system set when doing a emerge -e system?  If I for example unmerge
>>> kde-meta then run --depclean, I bet I would get the error about system
>>> packages being removed.  It may be because of USE flags but this was
>>> what I was concerned about during the last discussion.  Having GUI
>>> packages, especially KDE, included in the system set, even if because of
>>> USE flags, is going to lead to problems at some point.
>>>
>>> Or maybe I am reading all this wrong?
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>        
>> I assume you have "kde" enabled on sys-auth/polkit, that pulls in sys-
>> auth/polkit-kde-agent and sys-auth/polkit-kde. Thats all the qt-* and
>> kdelibs packages.
>>      
>
> It appears I was wrong after all.
>
> Manners dictates that apologies to Dale are in order.
>
> Sorry Dale.
>
>    

No need.  I'm more worried about the heat over here.  It's going to be 
100F tomorrow.  My poor garden is starting to cook the food as well as 
grow it.  O_O  I just need to explain it better from now on.  ;-)

Now, I bet there is no way to get KDE stuff out of that either.  I guess 
one could disable the flags that pull them in but what would that take 
away from KDE?  Then again, doesn't KDE require polkit now?  If so, that 
can't be removed not without some teeth pulling at least.  Those pesky 
USE flags.  lol

< sighs >

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 23:55 on Tuesday 31 May 2011, Dale did opine 
thusly:

> > It appears I was wrong after all.
> > 
> > Manners dictates that apologies to Dale are in order.
> > 
> > Sorry Dale.
> >
> >    
> 
> No need.  I'm more worried about the heat over here.  It's going to be 
> 100F tomorrow.  My poor garden is starting to cook the food as well as 
> grow it.  O_O  I just need to explain it better from now on.  ;-)

You live down Louisiana/New Orleans way right? Sticking hot in summer. Fine 
bourbon though. And blues, don't forget the blues.

Or you could come over to Johannesburg and luxuriate in our wonderful high-
altitude winters. Tonight is predicted to be -2 deg C


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 23:55 on Tuesday 31 May 2011, Dale did opine
> thusly:
>
>    
>>> It appears I was wrong after all.
>>>
>>> Manners dictates that apologies to Dale are in order.
>>>
>>> Sorry Dale.
>>>
>>>
>>>        
>> No need.  I'm more worried about the heat over here.  It's going to be
>> 100F tomorrow.  My poor garden is starting to cook the food as well as
>> grow it.  O_O  I just need to explain it better from now on.  ;-)
>>      
> You live down Louisiana/New Orleans way right? Sticking hot in summer. Fine
> bourbon though. And blues, don't forget the blues.
>
> Or you could come over to Johannesburg and luxuriate in our wonderful high-
> altitude winters. Tonight is predicted to be -2 deg C
>
>    

I live in Mississippi.  Never been to New Orleans but bet it about the 
same tho.  It's sticky and hot plus the sun cooks you pretty good, like 
being on broil in a oven.  I'm just glad I am not a tomato plant out in 
this.  I got some garden pics on here:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1152574063

I think they are public.  If not, write on my wall or post here and I'll 
change it.  Maybe my ex isn't still stalking me.  :/

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Alan McKinnon]

Apparently, though unproven, at 00:35 on Wednesday 01 June 2011, Dale did 
opine thusly:

> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Apparently, though unproven, at 23:55 on Tuesday 31 May 2011, Dale did
> > opine
> > 
> > thusly:
> >>> It appears I was wrong after all.
> >>> 
> >>> Manners dictates that apologies to Dale are in order.
> >>> 
> >>> Sorry Dale.
> >> 
> >> No need.  I'm more worried about the heat over here.  It's going to be
> >> 100F tomorrow.  My poor garden is starting to cook the food as well as
> >> grow it.  O_O  I just need to explain it better from now on.  ;-)
> > 
> > You live down Louisiana/New Orleans way right? Sticking hot in summer.
> > Fine bourbon though. And blues, don't forget the blues.
> > 
> > Or you could come over to Johannesburg and luxuriate in our wonderful
> > high- altitude winters. Tonight is predicted to be -2 deg C
> 
> I live in Mississippi.  Never been to New Orleans but bet it about the
> same tho.  It's sticky and hot plus the sun cooks you pretty good, like
> being on broil in a oven.  I'm just glad I am not a tomato plant out in
> this.  I got some garden pics on here:
> 
> http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1152574063
> 
> I think they are public.  If not, write on my wall or post here and I'll
> change it.  Maybe my ex isn't still stalking me.  :/

So that's what you look like :-)  I had a ... very different ... mental 
picture (also a complete fiction). 

There's no public photos on your page though :-(

And what's that gigantic gate over the river behind you in the profile pic? 
Looks a bit like the sea wall gates on the Thames.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday 01 June 2011 00:30:37 Alan McKinnon wrote:

> And what's that gigantic gate over the river behind you in the profile
> pic? Looks a bit like the sea wall gates on the Thames.

A good deal less elegant though  :)

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> So that's what you look like :-)  I had a ... very different ... mental
> picture (also a complete fiction).
>
> There's no public photos on your page though :-(
>
> And what's that gigantic gate over the river behind you in the profile pic?
> Looks a bit like the sea wall gates on the Thames.
>
>    

You thought I was some old geezer with gray hair huh?  lol   Hmmm, I do 
have some of those tho.  It's not as funny now.  :-(  The thing behind 
me is a lock and dam.  The locks are on the other side so you can't see 
those. Tthat is where boats and barges go through to navigate the 
river.  The part behind me is the dam with gates.  It's sort of like 
flood control I guess.  When it rains a lot, they open them up wide.  
There is a large amount of water going through there at times.  
Sometimes it is so much they won't let anyone get close to it.  People 
can fish there tho.  You just loose a lot of bait in those huge rocks.

I made some of the pictures public now.  Try it again and see if you can 
see more.  Mostly me, puter stuff and my garden.  Yea, I live in the 
sticks.  The puter pics are of the new rig I built a while back and am 
currently typing on.  That's my Gentoo rig.  Folks that have been on 
here a while know I just got DSL a year or so ago.  I was on dial-up 
before that.  It took 2 to 3 days just to download the new KDE stuff.  
Let's not talk about downloading the CD's and such.  Awww heck, let's 
do.  That takes about a week to get if it is not to big.  A full CD 
takes about a week and a half at times.  DSL is MUCHO better.  lol

If you want to add me as a friend on there, let me know you are from 
here.  I don't add just anybody.  Keeps the spam down.  lol

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update: SOLVED

[Alain DIDIERJEAN]

----- Mail Original -----
De: "Alain DIDIERJEAN" <alain.didierjean@free.fr>
À: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Envoyé: Lundi 30 Mai 2011 18h45:17 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
Objet: [gentoo-user] kde update

Trying to update from kde4.5 to kde4.6
A simple "emerge -uD world" gives:

[ebuild     U ] x11-libs/qt-core-4.7.2-r1 [4.6.3-r1] USE="-jit% -private-headers%"
[ebuild     U ] x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2 [4.6.3-r2]
[blocks b     ] <x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2 ("<x11-libs/qt-sql-4.7.2" is blocking x11-libs/qt-test-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-svg-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-gui-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-core-4.7.2-r1, x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-multimedia-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-declarative-4.7.2-r1, x11-libs/qt-assistant-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-script-4.7.2, x11-libs/qt-xmlpatterns-4.7.2)                                                                                                                         
--------snip-------------
[uninstall    ^[[39;49;00m] kde-base/dragonplayer-4.4.5^[[39;49;00m
[blocks^[[39;49;00m b^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/dragonplayer:4.6[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/dragonplayer:4.6[-kdeprefix]" is blo$
[blocks^[[39;49;00m b^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/dragonplayer:4.4[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/dragonplayer:4.4[-kdeprefix]" is blo$
[ebuild^[[39;49;00m  NS^[[39;49;00m   ] kde-base/kruler-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m [4.4.5]^[[39;49;00m USE="handbook^[[39;49;00m (-aqua^[[39;49;00$
[uninstall    ^[[39;49;00m] kde-base/kruler-4.4.5^[[39;49;00m
[blocks^[[39;49;00m b^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/kruler:4.6[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/kruler:4.6[-kdeprefix]" is blocking kde-ba$
[blocks^[[39;49;00m b^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/kruler:4.4[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/kruler:4.4[-kdeprefix]" is blocking kde-ba$
[ebuild^[[39;49;00m  NS^[[39;49;00m   ] kde-base/libkipi-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m [4.4.5]^[[39;49;00m USE="(-aqua^[[39;49;00m) -debug^[[39;49;00$
[uninstall    ^[[39;49;00m] kde-base/libkipi-4.4.5^[[39;49;00m
--------snip-------------
blocks^[[39;49;00m b^[[39;49;00m     ] kde-base/kdeartwork-meta:4.6[-kdeprefix]^[[39;49;00m ("kde-base/kdeartwork-meta:4.6[-kdeprefix]" $
[ebuild^[[39;49;00m  NS^[[39;49;00m   ] kde-base/kde-meta-4.6.2^[[39;49;00m [4.4.5]^[[39;49;00m USE="nls^[[39;49;00m semantic-desktop^[[3$

All together 982 lines as above.
Besides that, gentoo amd64 works fine on my box and I emerge everyday packages to upgrade, except those which are kde's.
Questions:
- what the hell is this mess, did I do something wrong ?
- have any of you got the same kind of troubles ?
- is there a way to go back to an up to date clean install, I mean besides reinstalling from scratch or going for Ubuntu ?
Reasons that make me go for gentoo 8 or 9 years ago:
- excellent docs. (as of to-day, some docs need updating);
- easyness of maintenance, no need for periodical reinstall (I'm not sure this time);
- stable packages are renewed in time, not too soon, not too late;
- portage works like a charm.
Hope I can get some help
----- Mail Original ----- ends here

SOLVED, after unmerging then re-emerging a little more than 300 packages. Compile took the whole night. A heavy task, but finally everything seems working. Thanks fot the help, folks,


-- 
                            
        Alain DIDIERJEAN      Puisque ces mystères nous dépassent
                           Feignons d'en être l'organisateur

Re: [gentoo-user] kde update: SOLVED

[Mick]

On 2 June 2011 15:32, Alain DIDIERJEAN <alain.didierjean@free.fr> wrote:
>
> ----- Mail Original -----
> De: "Alain DIDIERJEAN" <alain.didierjean@free.fr>
[snip...]

> Hope I can get some help
> ----- Mail Original ----- ends here
>
> SOLVED, after unmerging then re-emerging a little more than 300 packages. Compile took the whole night. A heavy task, but finally everything seems working. Thanks fot the help, folks,

Glad you sorted out this upgrade.  :-)

You may notice that some USE flags are no longer set/unset and as a
result when you run emerge --depclean a number of packages will want
to unmerge themselves (e.g. krdc, okteta, etc)

You'll need to adjust your flags accordingly if you wish to keep these
packages and run emerge -uaNDv world.

-- 
Regards,
Mick