From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFF91381F3 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 18:27:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9ADB9E0FCB; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 18:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.cs.nyu.edu (SMTP.CS.NYU.EDU [128.122.49.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6517E0E3F for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 18:27:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from newlap.localdomain (ool-182de1a5.dyn.optonline.net [24.45.225.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.cs.nyu.edu (8.14.3/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r86IR3x7013616 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 14:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by newlap.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4EF57A0052; Fri, 6 Sep 2013 14:27:03 -0400 (EDT) From: gottlieb@nyu.edu To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd References: <87ioye7pae.fsf@nyu.edu> <52292DA3.10101@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2013 14:27:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: ("Canek =?utf-8?Q?Pel=C3=A1ez_Vald=C3=A9s=22's?= message of "Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:48:46 -0500") Message-ID: <87ob85st54.fsf@nyu.edu> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 2304923d-7a42-4893-ac50-eaeeec81573a X-Archives-Hash: 7923949cf42f796f27ee1b7d913e7cf4 On Thu, Sep 05 2013, Canek Pel=C3=A1ez Vald=C3=A9s wrote: > On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM, walt wrote: >> On 09/05/2013 05:43 PM, gottlieb@nyu.edu wrote: >>> [I will be going to systemd since it is aparently required for >>> gnome-3.8. I first want to try systemd on a test system so am building >>> that one up.] >>> >>> On my main system (currently running openrc) I have masked all of >>> gnome-3.8. I wonder if this was an error and I can remove the >>> mask. Is it the case that >>> >>> 1. Running openrc instead of systemd means you must mask gnome-3.8 >>> >>> or >>> >>> 2. It is ok to emerge gnome-3.8 without a mask but some pieces will >>> stay at 3.6? >>> >>> In other words can I eliminate my file >>> /etc/portage/package.mask/gnome-3.8 >>> with all the 3.8 builds? >> >> Well, Canek is the systemd guru in this group, but I have been able >> to boot my ~amd64 test machine successfully using *either* openrc or >> systemd. >> >> This was a pleasant surprise to me because Canek posted not long ago >> that openrc is now incompatible with systemd. > > I'm pretty sure I never said such thing. Both sys-apps/systemd and > sys-apps/openrc satisfy virtual/service-manager, so if you installed > systemd, OpenRC was depcleaned some days ago, but since bug 373219[1] > hasn't been closed, they added OpenRC into the @system set, so now > it's not even depcleaned. You can put -*sys-apps/openrc in > /etc/portage/profile/package to solve that. > > No incompatibility, and I never said that. > >> Canek, please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm a bit lost in the >> details of the gnome3/systemd update at the moment. > > I believe you can install OpenRC and systemd in parallel without > problems. GNOME 3 will pull systemd when installed, but that doesn't > mean you will need to uninstall OpenRC. However, several GNOME > packages (including gdm, if I'm not mistaken) will fail if not running > with systemd as PID=3D1. > > I don't know how well it works OpenRC parallel installed with systemd, > I haven't used it in years. > > Regards. > > [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D373219 Canek, Thanks for this information. But what about my original question, namely Can I remove my masks and let gnome-3.8 replace 3.6 (to the extent portage let's it) while I am running openrc and do *not* have systemd installed? thanks, allan