[gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[alain.didierjean]

Has one of you guys already switched from gcc-4.1.2 to gcc-4.3.2 and
performed  "emerge system" ?
What gives ? Any problem ? Is it worth it right now ? Please tell...

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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[Thomas Kahle]

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alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote:
> Has one of you guys already switched from gcc-4.1.2 to gcc-4.3.2 and
> performed  "emerge system" ?
> What gives ? Any problem ? Is it worth it right now ? Please tell...
> 
> --
>  ~adj~
> 

Yes, I did it at the beginning of the year, it was more or less
painfree. There were a couple of compile failures with stable packages
when rebuilding the world, but typically these are already fixed and in
bugzilla, so you can go ahead by installing the ~x86 package. (See
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=245160 for a tracker of the packages)
I did not notice any difference in using the system everyday, I did it
only because I can use -march=core2 now and I wanted to work with the
newer gcc when programming other things.
You should follow the upgrade guide for maximal pleasure:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml

hope to help
Thom


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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[Masood Ahmed]

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alain.didierjean@free.fr writes:

> Has one of you guys already switched from gcc-4.1.2 to gcc-4.3.2 and
> performed  "emerge system" ?

I did upgrade to 4.3 gcc series from 4.1. There was no compile error's
(I'm using ~x86 branch). Both emerge -e system and emerge -e world done
using new gcc.

> What gives ? Any problem ? Is it worth it right now ? Please tell...

I like the -march=native and -mtune=native options. It's the new thing
in gcc 4.3 series.

Regards,
Masood Ahmed

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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[alain.didierjean]

Selon alain.didierjean@free.fr:

> Has one of you guys already switched from gcc-4.1.2 to gcc-4.3.2 and
> performed  "emerge system" ?
> What gives ? Any problem ? Is it worth it right now ? Please tell...

Thanks for the fast answers. It seems there's no problems...

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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:47:25 +0530, Masood Ahmed wrote:

> I like the -march=native and -mtune=native options.

As long as you don't use distcc with differing hardware.


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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[Jerry McBride]

On Friday 03 April 2009 05:15:21 pm Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:47:25 +0530, Masood Ahmed wrote:
> > I like the -march=native and -mtune=native options.
>
> As long as you don't use distcc with differing hardware.

I did that by accident once and trust me, it's a unforgettable lesson.

Jerry.





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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[Mike Kazantsev]

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On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:47:25 +0530
Masood Ahmed <masood.ahmed09@gmail.com> wrote:

> alain.didierjean@free.fr writes:
> 
> I like the -march=native and -mtune=native options. It's the new thing
> in gcc 4.3 series.

-mtune=native can be dropped if -march=native is there already.

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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[Christopher Walters]

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alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote:
> Has one of you guys already switched from gcc-4.1.2 to gcc-4.3.2 and
> performed  "emerge system" ?
> What gives ? Any problem ? Is it worth it right now ? Please tell...
> 
> --
>  ~adj~

I am afraid I can't really answer this question, since I am using GCC-4.3.3.  I
can say that I have only had a couple of merge failures with that, and these
were solved by either merging something else first, or by removing an
unnecessary USE flag - something like that.

Regards,
Chris

PS: I got more such problems with 4.1.2
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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[Graham Murray]

Mike Kazantsev <mike_kazantsev@fraggod.net> writes:

> -mtune=native can be dropped if -march=native is there already.

It is still worthwhile keeping it in CFLAGS as some packages remove or
replace the '-march' flag. 

Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[Joseph]

On 04/03/09 10:34, alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote:
>Has one of you guys already switched from gcc-4.1.2 to gcc-4.3.2 and
>performed  "emerge system" ?
>What gives ? Any problem ? Is it worth it right now ? Please tell...
>
>--
> ~adj~

I just notice that there is a problem with CFLAGS -march=native on AMD64
I recompile my system using this new flag and have a lot of problems. 
an examples new xorg-server-1.5... would not compile, I switch back to my previous settings:
-march=athlon64 and it compiled on first pass.
So, now I'm recompiling the system with my old flag: -march=athlon64 :-/

-- 
Joseph

[gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2

[Nikos Chantziaras]

Joseph wrote:
> On 04/03/09 10:34, alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote:
>> Has one of you guys already switched from gcc-4.1.2 to gcc-4.3.2 and
>> performed  "emerge system" ?
>> What gives ? Any problem ? Is it worth it right now ? Please tell...
>>
>> -- 
>> ~adj~
> 
> I just notice that there is a problem with CFLAGS -march=native on AMD64
> I recompile my system using this new flag and have a lot of problems. an 
> examples new xorg-server-1.5... would not compile, I switch back to my 
> previous settings:
> -march=athlon64 and it compiled on first pass.
> So, now I'm recompiling the system with my old flag: -march=athlon64 :-/

-march=native is only useful if you don't know what to use.  I guess 
most Gentoo users do know what to use.  Why should I use "native" if I 
know that my CPU is "athlon64" :P

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2

[Joseph]

On 04/06/09 11:56, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

[snip]
>>> ~adj~
>> I just notice that there is a problem with CFLAGS -march=native on AMD64
>> I recompile my system using this new flag and have a lot of problems. an 
>> examples new xorg-server-1.5... would not compile, I switch back to my 
>> previous settings:
>> -march=athlon64 and it compiled on first pass.
>> So, now I'm recompiling the system with my old flag: -march=athlon64 :-/
>
> -march=native is only useful if you don't know what to use.  I guess most 
> Gentoo users do know what to use.  Why should I use "native" if I know that 
> my CPU is "athlon64" :P

Well, according to gentoo recommendations it is not so:
http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags
"...GCC 4.2 introduces a new -march option, -march=native, which automatically detects the features your CPU supports and sets the options appropriately. 
If you have an Intel or AMD CPU and are using >=sys-devel/gcc-4.2.3, using -march=native is recommended...."

So, I suggest you make a correction to gentoo-wiki, as I suspect I'll will not be the only one who get confused by it :-/

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Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2

[Jarry]

Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

> Why should I use "native" if I  know that my CPU is "athlon64" :P

Are you sure your cpu is not "athlon64-sse3"?
Look for pni in cat /proc/cpuinfo   :-)

Jarry

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2

[Joseph]

On 04/06/09 18:53, Jarry wrote:
> Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>
>> Why should I use "native" if I  know that my CPU is "athlon64" :P
>
> Are you sure your cpu is not "athlon64-sse3"?
> Look for pni in cat /proc/cpuinfo   :-)
>
> Jarry

Here is my cpuinfo; 

cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : AuthenticAMD
cpu family      : 15
model           : 47
model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
stepping        : 0
cpu MHz         : 1802.243
cache size      : 512 KB
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 1
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt lm 3dnowext 
3dnow up rep_good nopl pni
bogomips        : 3604.48
TLB size        : 1024 4K pages
clflush size    : 64
cache_alignment : 64
address sizes   : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
power management: ts fid vid ttp tm stc

I'm runing 64-bit so in my case I think it will be Athlon not Sempron:

CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-march=k8 -O2 -pipe"

am I correct?

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Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:35:56 -0600, Joseph wrote:

> Well, according to gentoo recommendations it is not so:
> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags

Information on gentoo-wiki.com is not a Gentoo recomendation. Look at
docs.gentoo.org for those.
 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2

[Joseph]

On 04/06/09 21:07, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:35:56 -0600, Joseph wrote:
>
>> Well, according to gentoo recommendations it is not so:
>> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags
>
>Information on gentoo-wiki.com is not a Gentoo recomendation. Look at
>docs.gentoo.org for those.
> 
>
>-- 
>Neil Bothwick

If you have look for it more carefully you would have found similar recommendation on the official gentoo pages:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml
I think the above page qualify as an official doc. isn't it? 

"...-march=native

Starting with GCC 4.3.0, the compiler supports the -march=native switch which turns on CPU autodetection and optimizations that are worth being enabled on 
the processor the GCC is running at..."

So reading it, it seems to me the "-march=native" is recommended as well.

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Joseph

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2

[Paul Hartman]

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 04/06/09 21:07, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 10:35:56 -0600, Joseph wrote:
>>
>>> Well, according to gentoo recommendations it is not so:
>>> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Safe_Cflags
>>
>> Information on gentoo-wiki.com is not a Gentoo recomendation. Look at
>> docs.gentoo.org for those.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Neil Bothwick
>
> If you have look for it more carefully you would have found similar
> recommendation on the official gentoo pages:
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml
> I think the above page qualify as an official doc. isn't it?
> "...-march=native
>
> Starting with GCC 4.3.0, the compiler supports the -march=native switch
> which turns on CPU autodetection and optimizations that are worth being
> enabled on the processor the GCC is running at..."
>
> So reading it, it seems to me the "-march=native" is recommended as well.

That looks like a description of what -march=native is, not a
recommendation. The recommendation is in the following sentences when
they warn NOT to use it when using distcc in certain configurations
(same as the wiki page).

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 14:28:40 -0600, Joseph wrote:

> If you have look for it more carefully you would have found similar
> recommendation on the official gentoo pages:
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/distcc.xml I think the above page qualify
> as an official doc. isn't it? 

Yes.

> "...-march=native
> 
> Starting with GCC 4.3.0, the compiler supports the -march=native switch
> which turns on CPU autodetection and optimizations that are worth being
> enabled on the processor the GCC is running at..."
> 
> So reading it, it seems to me the "-march=native" is recommended as
> well.

There's no recommendation there, just a description of what it does.

one of which changes the fact that gentoo-wiki.com is not endorsed by
Gentoo and should not be represented as being official.


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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[Jorge Morais]

On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 00:02:21 -0600
Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 04/03/09 10:34, alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote:
> >Has one of you guys already switched from gcc-4.1.2 to gcc-4.3.2 and
> >performed  "emerge system" ?
> >What gives ? Any problem ? Is it worth it right now ? Please tell...
> >
> >--
> > ~adj~
> 
> I just notice that there is a problem with CFLAGS -march=native on AMD64
> I recompile my system using this new flag and have a lot of problems. 
> an examples new xorg-server-1.5... would not compile, I switch back to my previous settings:
> -march=athlon64 and it compiled on first pass.
> So, now I'm recompiling the system with my old flag: -march=athlon64 :-/
> 
Have you filed a bug?
Since in a later message you say that you are not sure of whether you
should use -march=k8 or -march=k8-sse3, it seems that in your situation
-march=native is interesting.

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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[Joseph]

On 04/06/09 22:00, Jorge Morais wrote:
>On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 00:02:21 -0600
>> 
>> I just notice that there is a problem with CFLAGS -march=native on AMD64
>> I recompile my system using this new flag and have a lot of problems. 
>> an examples new xorg-server-1.5... would not compile, I switch back to my previous settings:
>> -march=athlon64 and it compiled on first pass.
>> So, now I'm recompiling the system with my old flag: -march=athlon64 :-/
>> 
>Have you filed a bug?
>Since in a later message you say that you are not sure of whether you
>should use -march=k8 or -march=k8-sse3, it seems that in your situation
>-march=native is interesting.

I'm not sure of anything, I'm getting deeper an deeper problems.
I've almost recompile the system with -march=k8 and the last package gcc-4.3.2 wouldn't compile, the session got stuck so I kill the session and couldn't 
start the restart the "emerge gcc" as the emerge from previous session lock the portage or gcc.
I boot from CD, chroot and tried to recompile the gcc but it has been compiling for over two hours and it can not finish, I think it is in some kind of 
loop mode?

-- 
Joseph

[gentoo-user] Re: GCC-4.3.2

[Nikos Chantziaras]

Jarry wrote:
> Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> 
>> Why should I use "native" if I  know that my CPU is "athlon64" :P
> 
> Are you sure your cpu is not "athlon64-sse3"?

That was just an example.  For my CPU I use "-march=core2" :)

Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[Mike Kazantsev]

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On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:19:09 -0600
Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:

> I boot from CD, chroot and tried to recompile the gcc but it has been compiling for over two hours and it can not finish, I think it is in some kind of 
> loop mode?

GCC takes a long time to compile and re-compile itself with itself, but
since you experience it to be longer than usual, you probably have a
different settings, like "-jX" in MAKEOPTS or trying to compile it in
framebuffer, which takes longer, in my experience, I assume it might be
related to very slow echo operations, or might be just a glitch of my
perception ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[Arttu V.]

On 4/7/09, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
> I boot from CD, chroot and tried to recompile the gcc but it has been
> compiling for over two hours and it can not finish, I think it is in some
> kind of  loop mode?

That "loop" is the multilib profile you're probably using, which will
compile you both 64-bit and 32-bit version of gcc?

You also stated in an earlier email that your system has an Athlon
3000+ processor. As a comparison, here with an Athlon 3500+ and 3GB of
RAM the gcc:4.3 compilation takes around two hours if the ccache is
empty and an hour and 20 minutes if it hits mostly the cache, so the
duration doesn't appear surprising for a first compilation (varying by
the USE flags, naturally).

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Arttu V.

Re: [gentoo-user] GCC-4.3.2

[Joseph]

On 04/07/09 19:48, Arttu V. wrote:
>On 4/7/09, Joseph <syscon780@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I boot from CD, chroot and tried to recompile the gcc but it has been
>> compiling for over two hours and it can not finish, I think it is in some
>> kind of  loop mode?
>
>That "loop" is the multilib profile you're probably using, which will
>compile you both 64-bit and 32-bit version of gcc?
>
>You also stated in an earlier email that your system has an Athlon
>3000+ processor. As a comparison, here with an Athlon 3500+ and 3GB of
>RAM the gcc:4.3 compilation takes around two hours if the ccache is
>empty and an hour and 20 minutes if it hits mostly the cache, so the
>duration doesn't appear surprising for a first compilation (varying by
>the USE flags, naturally).
>
>-- 
>Arttu V.

I'm still fighting with my two machines, recompiling system, and world with new GCC even though, it was not necessary; I wish developers mentioned it 
after emerging new gcc "no need to recompile the system" 
I just read few posts on the forum and did what others suggested: recompiled the world but is is not going smooth; 
maybe it is time for me to try something easier "ubuntu etc" as I'm not very happy with Gentoo, the upgrade and installation are harder to manage. 

-- 
Joseph