* [gentoo-user] must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd
@ 2013-09-06 0:43 gottlieb
2013-09-06 1:19 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: gottlieb @ 2013-09-06 0:43 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
[I will be going to systemd since it is aparently required for
gnome-3.8. I first want to try systemd on a test system so am building
that one up.]
On my main system (currently running openrc) I have masked all of
gnome-3.8. I wonder if this was an error and I can remove the
mask. Is it the case that
1. Running openrc instead of systemd means you must mask gnome-3.8
or
2. It is ok to emerge gnome-3.8 without a mask but some pieces will
stay at 3.6?
In other words can I eliminate my file
/etc/portage/package.mask/gnome-3.8
with all the 3.8 builds?
thanks,
allan
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* [gentoo-user] Re: must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd
2013-09-06 0:43 [gentoo-user] must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd gottlieb
@ 2013-09-06 1:19 ` walt
2013-09-06 2:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
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From: walt @ 2013-09-06 1:19 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 09/05/2013 05:43 PM, gottlieb@nyu.edu wrote:
> [I will be going to systemd since it is aparently required for
> gnome-3.8. I first want to try systemd on a test system so am building
> that one up.]
>
> On my main system (currently running openrc) I have masked all of
> gnome-3.8. I wonder if this was an error and I can remove the
> mask. Is it the case that
>
> 1. Running openrc instead of systemd means you must mask gnome-3.8
>
> or
>
> 2. It is ok to emerge gnome-3.8 without a mask but some pieces will
> stay at 3.6?
>
> In other words can I eliminate my file
> /etc/portage/package.mask/gnome-3.8
> with all the 3.8 builds?
Well, Canek is the systemd guru in this group, but I have been able
to boot my ~amd64 test machine successfully using *either* openrc or
systemd.
This was a pleasant surprise to me because Canek posted not long ago
that openrc is now incompatible with systemd.
Canek, please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm a bit lost in the
details of the gnome3/systemd update at the moment.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd
2013-09-06 1:19 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
@ 2013-09-06 2:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-06 18:27 ` gottlieb
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Canek Peláez Valdés @ 2013-09-06 2:48 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 09/05/2013 05:43 PM, gottlieb@nyu.edu wrote:
>> [I will be going to systemd since it is aparently required for
>> gnome-3.8. I first want to try systemd on a test system so am building
>> that one up.]
>>
>> On my main system (currently running openrc) I have masked all of
>> gnome-3.8. I wonder if this was an error and I can remove the
>> mask. Is it the case that
>>
>> 1. Running openrc instead of systemd means you must mask gnome-3.8
>>
>> or
>>
>> 2. It is ok to emerge gnome-3.8 without a mask but some pieces will
>> stay at 3.6?
>>
>> In other words can I eliminate my file
>> /etc/portage/package.mask/gnome-3.8
>> with all the 3.8 builds?
>
> Well, Canek is the systemd guru in this group, but I have been able
> to boot my ~amd64 test machine successfully using *either* openrc or
> systemd.
>
> This was a pleasant surprise to me because Canek posted not long ago
> that openrc is now incompatible with systemd.
I'm pretty sure I never said such thing. Both sys-apps/systemd and
sys-apps/openrc satisfy virtual/service-manager, so if you installed
systemd, OpenRC was depcleaned some days ago, but since bug 373219[1]
hasn't been closed, they added OpenRC into the @system set, so now
it's not even depcleaned. You can put -*sys-apps/openrc in
/etc/portage/profile/package to solve that.
No incompatibility, and I never said that.
> Canek, please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm a bit lost in the
> details of the gnome3/systemd update at the moment.
I believe you can install OpenRC and systemd in parallel without
problems. GNOME 3 will pull systemd when installed, but that doesn't
mean you will need to uninstall OpenRC. However, several GNOME
packages (including gdm, if I'm not mistaken) will fail if not running
with systemd as PID=1.
I don't know how well it works OpenRC parallel installed with systemd,
I haven't used it in years.
Regards.
[1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373219
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd
2013-09-06 2:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
@ 2013-09-06 18:27 ` gottlieb
2013-09-06 18:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: gottlieb @ 2013-09-06 18:27 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Thu, Sep 05 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 09/05/2013 05:43 PM, gottlieb@nyu.edu wrote:
>>> [I will be going to systemd since it is aparently required for
>>> gnome-3.8. I first want to try systemd on a test system so am building
>>> that one up.]
>>>
>>> On my main system (currently running openrc) I have masked all of
>>> gnome-3.8. I wonder if this was an error and I can remove the
>>> mask. Is it the case that
>>>
>>> 1. Running openrc instead of systemd means you must mask gnome-3.8
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> 2. It is ok to emerge gnome-3.8 without a mask but some pieces will
>>> stay at 3.6?
>>>
>>> In other words can I eliminate my file
>>> /etc/portage/package.mask/gnome-3.8
>>> with all the 3.8 builds?
>>
>> Well, Canek is the systemd guru in this group, but I have been able
>> to boot my ~amd64 test machine successfully using *either* openrc or
>> systemd.
>>
>> This was a pleasant surprise to me because Canek posted not long ago
>> that openrc is now incompatible with systemd.
>
> I'm pretty sure I never said such thing. Both sys-apps/systemd and
> sys-apps/openrc satisfy virtual/service-manager, so if you installed
> systemd, OpenRC was depcleaned some days ago, but since bug 373219[1]
> hasn't been closed, they added OpenRC into the @system set, so now
> it's not even depcleaned. You can put -*sys-apps/openrc in
> /etc/portage/profile/package to solve that.
>
> No incompatibility, and I never said that.
>
>> Canek, please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm a bit lost in the
>> details of the gnome3/systemd update at the moment.
>
> I believe you can install OpenRC and systemd in parallel without
> problems. GNOME 3 will pull systemd when installed, but that doesn't
> mean you will need to uninstall OpenRC. However, several GNOME
> packages (including gdm, if I'm not mistaken) will fail if not running
> with systemd as PID=1.
>
> I don't know how well it works OpenRC parallel installed with systemd,
> I haven't used it in years.
>
> Regards.
>
> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373219
Canek, Thanks for this information. But what about my original
question, namely
Can I remove my masks and let gnome-3.8 replace 3.6 (to the
extent portage let's it) while I am running openrc and do
*not* have systemd installed?
thanks,
allan
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd
2013-09-06 18:27 ` gottlieb
@ 2013-09-06 18:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2013-09-06 20:30 ` gottlieb
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Canek Peláez Valdés @ 2013-09-06 18:43 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM, <gottlieb@nyu.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 05 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:19 PM, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 09/05/2013 05:43 PM, gottlieb@nyu.edu wrote:
>>>> [I will be going to systemd since it is aparently required for
>>>> gnome-3.8. I first want to try systemd on a test system so am building
>>>> that one up.]
>>>>
>>>> On my main system (currently running openrc) I have masked all of
>>>> gnome-3.8. I wonder if this was an error and I can remove the
>>>> mask. Is it the case that
>>>>
>>>> 1. Running openrc instead of systemd means you must mask gnome-3.8
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> 2. It is ok to emerge gnome-3.8 without a mask but some pieces will
>>>> stay at 3.6?
>>>>
>>>> In other words can I eliminate my file
>>>> /etc/portage/package.mask/gnome-3.8
>>>> with all the 3.8 builds?
>>>
>>> Well, Canek is the systemd guru in this group, but I have been able
>>> to boot my ~amd64 test machine successfully using *either* openrc or
>>> systemd.
>>>
>>> This was a pleasant surprise to me because Canek posted not long ago
>>> that openrc is now incompatible with systemd.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I never said such thing. Both sys-apps/systemd and
>> sys-apps/openrc satisfy virtual/service-manager, so if you installed
>> systemd, OpenRC was depcleaned some days ago, but since bug 373219[1]
>> hasn't been closed, they added OpenRC into the @system set, so now
>> it's not even depcleaned. You can put -*sys-apps/openrc in
>> /etc/portage/profile/package to solve that.
>>
>> No incompatibility, and I never said that.
>>
>>> Canek, please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm a bit lost in the
>>> details of the gnome3/systemd update at the moment.
>>
>> I believe you can install OpenRC and systemd in parallel without
>> problems. GNOME 3 will pull systemd when installed, but that doesn't
>> mean you will need to uninstall OpenRC. However, several GNOME
>> packages (including gdm, if I'm not mistaken) will fail if not running
>> with systemd as PID=1.
>>
>> I don't know how well it works OpenRC parallel installed with systemd,
>> I haven't used it in years.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> [1] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373219
>
> Canek, Thanks for this information. But what about my original
> question, namely
>
> Can I remove my masks and let gnome-3.8 replace 3.6 (to the
> extent portage let's it) while I am running openrc and do
> *not* have systemd installed?
No, you can't: systemd is now a requirement for GNOME 3; gdm-3.8.4
requires systemd unconditionally. If you try to install GNOME 3.8, it
will install gdm 3.8.4, which will bring systemd. You cannot install
gdm without systemd; therefore, you cannot install gnome-base/gnome
without systemd.
You could *try* to update the pieces of GNOME to 3.8 that doesn't
require systemd, but I don't think that will end happily.
Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: must I mask gnome-3.8 until I am running systemd
2013-09-06 18:43 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
@ 2013-09-06 20:30 ` gottlieb
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: gottlieb @ 2013-09-06 20:30 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Fri, Sep 06 2013, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM, <gottlieb@nyu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Canek, Thanks for this information. But what about my original
>> question, namely
>>
>> Can I remove my masks and let gnome-3.8 replace 3.6 (to the
>> extent portage let's it) while I am running openrc and do
>> *not* have systemd installed?
>
> No, you can't: systemd is now a requirement for GNOME 3; gdm-3.8.4
> requires systemd unconditionally. If you try to install GNOME 3.8, it
> will install gdm 3.8.4, which will bring systemd. You cannot install
> gdm without systemd; therefore, you cannot install gnome-base/gnome
> without systemd.
>
> You could *try* to update the pieces of GNOME to 3.8 that doesn't
> require systemd, but I don't think that will end happily.
>
> Regards.
That is what I suspected. I will keep the gnome-3.8 packages masked
while I build up an old system and then try to convert it to systemd.
When the conversion succeeds, I will try to convert my real system.
thanks again for your help,
allan
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