From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JGOI3-0007sR-0w for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:43:59 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 13365E049F; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47376E049D for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E23650BA for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:41:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at gentoo.org X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XdlRiRcln5Wk for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:41:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E334465213 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1JGOF5-0005HQ-DM for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:40:55 +0000 Received: from adsl-75-3-178-22.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net ([75.3.178.22]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:40:55 +0000 Received: from reader by adsl-75-3-178-22.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2008 00:40:55 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: reader@newsguy.com Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ? Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 18:40:40 -0600 Organization: Still searching... Message-ID: <87ejcdcos7.fsf@newsguy.com> References: <1200129071.4788842fc5816@imp.free.fr> <200801121231.42265.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <4788ADA8.9020107@gnoo.eu> <200801121256.03451.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <4788C1F7.7050602@bellsouth.net> <20080119124532.GA29753@nibiru.local> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-75-3-178-22.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:3dqY9mNZRTdenHWxIA0/NC+Vr9M= Sender: news X-Archives-Salt: 1efea0ca-b9d9-47a4-b418-3b8ff00adfcd X-Archives-Hash: 807d310bf7a16a98fa89fa047c2650ae Enrico Weigelt writes: > Part of the problmem might be too many quick+dirty hacks, another > part's the philosophy of taking evrything as it comes from the > upstream. It's not trivial to get out of this ;-o First off, your comments seem to be some of the more sensible here. Not that others are senseless just not much actual `what to do' content has come through. I'd hazard a guess that you may have hit a bigger problem than your comment indicates. I'm pretty sure there would be great pressure to use `quick and dirty hacks' to get stuff done when devs are nearly always overworked. > One little step out could be the OSS-QM project (http://oss-qm.metux.de/) > It collects fixes for a lot packages and makes them accessible in 100% > automated ways. So in a way it can be seen as an kind of overlay against > the upstream. Most of the patches are things that upstream's tend to forget > but importand for fully automated builds (eg. proper relocation, clean > feature switching, fixing buildfiles, pkg-config, etc) - they do NOT harm > the core functionality. So exactly what the vast majority of distro's > patches do, but in generic (distro agnostic) ways. The theory sounds very sensible. After looking at that page and some of the links briefly it wasn't clear to me where this is being used. I see a very short list of pkgs being worked on.. and guessing it is because of being short handed there. But what wasn't clear is how work comes in and where it goes when it goes out. Are some distros offering these overhauled pkgs or what? (Please excuse me if I'm missing obvious things on the pages) PS-The `help' link under `navigation' brings up what appears to be something it is not intended to, and may even be a hack on those pages or something. (The content that comes up may even be sort of off the wall.) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list