* [gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ?
@ 2005-12-01 10:46 Allan Spagnol Comar
2005-12-01 11:03 ` Neil Bothwick
2005-12-01 11:52 ` Erik Haider Forsén
0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Allan Spagnol Comar @ 2005-12-01 10:46 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Hi I was pretending to emerge emacs to check dependencies and I got
amazed when I saw this:
# emerge -p emacs
[ebuild N ] media-libs/giflib-4.1.4
[ebuild N ] dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.6
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/orbit-2.12.3
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.10.1
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libglade-2.5.1
[ebuild N ] media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.17
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.10.2
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gconf-2.10.1-r1
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2
[ebuild N ] app-admin/fam-2.7.0-r2
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.10.1-r2
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.10.1-r1
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.10.1
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.4
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.10.1
[ebuild N ] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.8
[ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.10.1
[ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.6.5
[ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.10.2
[ebuild N ] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8
[ebuild N ] app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.14-r1
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.10.2
[ebuild N ] x11-libs/openmotif-2.2.3-r3
[ebuild N ] app-editors/emacs-21.4-r1
my USE flags got only doc because this is a linux box without any
graphical interfaces to server some utilities .....
could some one explain why emacs needs so many graphical parts ?
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ?
2005-12-01 10:46 [gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ? Allan Spagnol Comar
@ 2005-12-01 11:03 ` Neil Bothwick
2005-12-01 11:15 ` Allan Spagnol Comar
2005-12-01 11:52 ` Erik Haider Forsén
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From: Neil Bothwick @ 2005-12-01 11:03 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:46:23 -0300, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
> my USE flags got only doc because this is a linux box without any
> graphical interfaces to server some utilities .....
>
> could some one explain why emacs needs so many graphical parts ?
What does "emerge -tv emacs" show? It should tell you which USE flag is
causing all this. Leaving gnome out of your USE flags may not be enough.
If it is on by default in your profile, you need to include -gnome (and
-motif) in USE.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ?
2005-12-01 11:03 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2005-12-01 11:15 ` Allan Spagnol Comar
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From: Allan Spagnol Comar @ 2005-12-01 11:15 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
I need to put -X too ? I do not know that gnome and motif was in
"default" settings ...
On 12/1/05, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 07:46:23 -0300, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
>
> > my USE flags got only doc because this is a linux box without any
> > graphical interfaces to server some utilities .....
> >
> > could some one explain why emacs needs so many graphical parts ?
>
> What does "emerge -tv emacs" show? It should tell you which USE flag is
> causing all this. Leaving gnome out of your USE flags may not be enough.
> If it is on by default in your profile, you need to include -gnome (and
> -motif) in USE.
>
>
> --
> Neil Bothwick
>
> Uhura: Captain, you're being flamed on channel one.
>
>
>
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ?
2005-12-01 10:46 [gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ? Allan Spagnol Comar
2005-12-01 11:03 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2005-12-01 11:52 ` Erik Haider Forsén
2005-12-01 10:59 ` Allan Spagnol Comar
1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Erik Haider Forsén @ 2005-12-01 11:52 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Allan Spagnol Comar <allan.comar@gmail.com> writes:
> Hi I was pretending to emerge emacs to check dependencies and I got
> amazed when I saw this:
> # emerge -p emacs
> [ebuild N ] media-libs/giflib-4.1.4
> [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.6
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/orbit-2.12.3
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.10.1
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libglade-2.5.1
> [ebuild N ] media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.17
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.10.2
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gconf-2.10.1-r1
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2
> [ebuild N ] app-admin/fam-2.7.0-r2
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.10.1-r2
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.10.1-r1
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.10.1
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.4
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.10.1
> [ebuild N ] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.8
> [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.10.1
> [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.6.5
> [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.10.2
> [ebuild N ] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8
> [ebuild N ] app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.14-r1
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.10.2
> [ebuild N ] x11-libs/openmotif-2.2.3-r3
> [ebuild N ] app-editors/emacs-21.4-r1
>
> my USE flags got only doc because this is a linux box without any
> graphical interfaces to server some utilities .....
>
> could some one explain why emacs needs so many graphical parts ?
> --
> An application asked:
> "Requeires Windows 9x, NT4 or better",
> so I´ve installed Linux
>
> --
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Could you provide the output of emerge -pv emacs?
/erik
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ?
2005-12-01 11:52 ` Erik Haider Forsén
@ 2005-12-01 10:59 ` Allan Spagnol Comar
2005-12-01 12:08 ` Erik Haider Forsén
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Allan Spagnol Comar @ 2005-12-01 10:59 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
sure, here it is:
emerge -pv emacs
These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild N ] media-libs/giflib-4.1.4 +X -rle 0 kB
[ebuild N ] dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.6 -debug -static 0 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/orbit-2.12.3 -debug +doc +ssl -static 0 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.10.1 -debug +doc -static 0 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libglade-2.5.1 -debug +doc 0 kB
[ebuild N ] media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.17 -debug 0 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.10.2 +X -debug +doc -static 0 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gconf-2.10.1-r1 -debug +doc -static 0 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2 -debug 0 kB
[ebuild N ] app-admin/fam-2.7.0-r2 0 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.10.1-r2 -debug +doc -gnutls
-hal -howl +ipv6 +samba +ssl 0 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.10.1-r1 -debug +doc -esd -static 0 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.10.1 +X -debug +doc -static 0 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.4 -debug -static 0 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.10.1 -debug +doc +jpeg -static 0 kB
[ebuild N ] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.8 0 kB
[ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.10.1 -debug 0 kB
[ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.6.5 -accessibility -debug -static 0 kB
[ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.10.2 -accessibility -debug 0 kB
[ebuild N ] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8 0 kB
[ebuild N ] app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.14-r1 +nls 0 kB
[ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.10.2 -debug -static 0 kB
[ebuild N ] x11-libs/openmotif-2.2.3-r3 0 kB
[ebuild N ] app-editors/emacs-21.4-r1 +X -Xaw3d +gnome -leim
-lesstif +motif +nls -nosendmail 0 kB
On 12/1/05, Erik Haider Forsén <erikf@opera.com> wrote:
> Allan Spagnol Comar <allan.comar@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Hi I was pretending to emerge emacs to check dependencies and I got
> > amazed when I saw this:
> > # emerge -p emacs
> > [ebuild N ] media-libs/giflib-4.1.4
> > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.6
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/orbit-2.12.3
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.10.1
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libglade-2.5.1
> > [ebuild N ] media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.17
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.10.2
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gconf-2.10.1-r1
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2
> > [ebuild N ] app-admin/fam-2.7.0-r2
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.10.1-r2
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.10.1-r1
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.10.1
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.4
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.10.1
> > [ebuild N ] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.8
> > [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.10.1
> > [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.6.5
> > [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.10.2
> > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8
> > [ebuild N ] app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.14-r1
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.10.2
> > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/openmotif-2.2.3-r3
> > [ebuild N ] app-editors/emacs-21.4-r1
> >
> > my USE flags got only doc because this is a linux box without any
> > graphical interfaces to server some utilities .....
> >
> > could some one explain why emacs needs so many graphical parts ?
> > --
> > An application asked:
> > "Requeires Windows 9x, NT4 or better",
> > so I´ve installed Linux
> >
> > --
> > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
> Could you provide the output of emerge -pv emacs?
>
> /erik
>
>
> --
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ?
2005-12-01 10:59 ` Allan Spagnol Comar
@ 2005-12-01 12:08 ` Erik Haider Forsén
2005-12-01 11:20 ` Allan Spagnol Comar
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Erik Haider Forsén @ 2005-12-01 12:08 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Allan Spagnol Comar <allan.comar@gmail.com> writes:
> sure, here it is:
>
> emerge -pv emacs
>
> These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies ...done!
> [ebuild N ] media-libs/giflib-4.1.4 +X -rle 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.6 -debug -static 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/orbit-2.12.3 -debug +doc +ssl -static 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.10.1 -debug +doc -static 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libglade-2.5.1 -debug +doc 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.17 -debug 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.10.2 +X -debug +doc -static 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gconf-2.10.1-r1 -debug +doc -static 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2 -debug 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] app-admin/fam-2.7.0-r2 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.10.1-r2 -debug +doc -gnutls
> -hal -howl +ipv6 +samba +ssl 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.10.1-r1 -debug +doc -esd -static 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.10.1 +X -debug +doc -static 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.4 -debug -static 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.10.1 -debug +doc +jpeg -static 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.8 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.10.1 -debug 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.6.5 -accessibility -debug -static 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.10.2 -accessibility -debug 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.14-r1 +nls 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.10.2 -debug -static 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] x11-libs/openmotif-2.2.3-r3 0 kB
> [ebuild N ] app-editors/emacs-21.4-r1 +X -Xaw3d +gnome -leim
> -lesstif +motif +nls -nosendmail 0 kB
>
>
>> >
>> > my USE flags got only doc because this is a linux box without any
>> > graphical interfaces to server some utilities .....
>> >
>> > could some one explain why emacs needs so many graphical parts ?
>> > --
>> > An application asked:
>> > "Requeires Windows 9x, NT4 or better",
>> > so I´ve installed Linux
>> >
>> > --
>> > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>>
>> Could you provide the output of emerge -pv emacs?
>>
>> /erik
>>
>>
as you see here:
[ebuild N ] app-editors/emacs-21.4-r1 +X -Xaw3d +gnome -leim
emacs has X and gnome as use flags. you could either put -X and -gnome
in your use flag list in /etc/make.conf, or you could use this command:
# echo "app-editors/emacs -X -gnome" >> /etc/portage/package.use"
and then emerge emacs :)
/erik
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ?
2005-12-01 12:08 ` Erik Haider Forsén
@ 2005-12-01 11:20 ` Allan Spagnol Comar
2005-12-01 11:54 ` Neil Bothwick
2005-12-01 12:02 ` Dirk Heinrichs
0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Allan Spagnol Comar @ 2005-12-01 11:20 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
cool; that solved the problem really well; I am changing my use flags
to "-X -kde -gnome -motif " so I got no more such problems, and I
thinking to rebuild my system ....
thanks alot again Erik.
On 12/1/05, Erik Haider Forsén <erikf@opera.com> wrote:
> Allan Spagnol Comar <allan.comar@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > sure, here it is:
> >
> > emerge -pv emacs
> >
> > These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
> >
> > Calculating dependencies ...done!
> > [ebuild N ] media-libs/giflib-4.1.4 +X -rle 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] dev-libs/libIDL-0.8.6 -debug -static 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/orbit-2.12.3 -debug +doc +ssl -static 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonobo-2.10.1 -debug +doc -static 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libglade-2.5.1 -debug +doc 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] media-libs/libart_lgpl-2.3.17 -debug 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.10.2 +X -debug +doc -static 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gconf-2.10.1-r1 -debug +doc -static 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2 -debug 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] app-admin/fam-2.7.0-r2 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.10.1-r2 -debug +doc -gnutls
> > -hal -howl +ipv6 +samba +ssl 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.10.1-r1 -debug +doc -esd -static 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libbonoboui-2.10.1 +X -debug +doc -static 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.4 -debug -static 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.10.1 -debug +doc +jpeg -static 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] x11-themes/hicolor-icon-theme-0.8 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.10.1 -debug 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gtk-engines-2.6.5 -accessibility -debug -static 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.10.2 -accessibility -debug 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/startup-notification-0.8 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] app-text/scrollkeeper-0.3.14-r1 +nls 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-desktop-2.10.2 -debug -static 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] x11-libs/openmotif-2.2.3-r3 0 kB
> > [ebuild N ] app-editors/emacs-21.4-r1 +X -Xaw3d +gnome -leim
> > -lesstif +motif +nls -nosendmail 0 kB
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> > my USE flags got only doc because this is a linux box without any
> >> > graphical interfaces to server some utilities .....
> >> >
> >> > could some one explain why emacs needs so many graphical parts ?
> >> > --
> >> > An application asked:
> >> > "Requeires Windows 9x, NT4 or better",
> >> > so I´ve installed Linux
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
> >>
> >> Could you provide the output of emerge -pv emacs?
> >>
> >> /erik
> >>
> >>
> as you see here:
>
> [ebuild N ] app-editors/emacs-21.4-r1 +X -Xaw3d +gnome -leim
>
> emacs has X and gnome as use flags. you could either put -X and -gnome
> in your use flag list in /etc/make.conf, or you could use this command:
>
> # echo "app-editors/emacs -X -gnome" >> /etc/portage/package.use"
>
> and then emerge emacs :)
>
> /erik
>
>
> --
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ?
2005-12-01 11:20 ` Allan Spagnol Comar
@ 2005-12-01 11:54 ` Neil Bothwick
2005-12-01 12:02 ` Dirk Heinrichs
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From: Neil Bothwick @ 2005-12-01 11:54 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:20:36 -0300, Allan Spagnol Comar wrote:
> cool; that solved the problem really well; I am changing my use flags
> to "-X -kde -gnome -motif " so I got no more such problems, and I
> thinking to rebuild my system ....
You might want to add -qt -arts to that list.
You don't need a complete rebuild, just
emerge -uavDN world
emerge -a depclean
revdep-rebuild -p
revdep-rebuild
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Why emacs needs gnome parts ?
2005-12-01 11:20 ` Allan Spagnol Comar
2005-12-01 11:54 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2005-12-01 12:02 ` Dirk Heinrichs
1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Dirk Heinrichs @ 2005-12-01 12:02 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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Am Donnerstag, 1. Dezember 2005 12:20 schrieb ext Allan Spagnol Comar:
> cool; that solved the problem really well; I am changing my use flags
> to "-X -kde -gnome -motif " so I got no more such problems, and I
> thinking to rebuild my system ....
You don't need to. Just use -N (--newuse) after changing USE flags, i.e.
"emerge -DNuvp world" will show you which packages would be recompiled,
along with their USE flags. If a USE flag change affected some of the
packages you would see an asterisk ("*") next to the flag.
HTH...
Dirk
BTW: Could you please read http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
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