[gentoo-user] Ebuild and emacs enough is enough

[gentoo-user] Ebuild and emacs enough is enough

[Harry Putnam]

I'm not sure where to log this complaint, its not a real bug.

I've had about 6 or 7 emerges like emerge -v -u -D world break in the
middle somewhere because emacs has been called to byte compile or
whatever, however whoever is writing this stuff is calling emacs
WITHOUT taking the normal precations used by savvy emacs users.

That is, to call emacs with `emacs -q --no-site-file CMDS'.  This is
starndard practice to use when calling emacs during builds.

But on a 6-7 occassions, the last in the middle of emerge -v -u -D
--newuse world'

Not something you are likeley to set and watch for something like
this.  So you come back in hour and half to find its errored out in
the middle because emacs wasn't called with simple protective flags
like -q --no-site-file.

-q (don't use an .emacs init file)  --no-site-file (don't load any
 site-start.el files)

People might have code in either of those places that will cause emacs
to give unexpected output during build.

site-start.el is a tradition older than gentoo.  

Gentoo installs don't have it but many long term emacs users use this
file to set code for system wide stuff.  That is what it is for.
Emacs will load it before anything else (except `default.el') if it is
found in the path.  That is why it is wise to use --no-site-file when
calling emacs to bytecompile.

In my site-start.el I have code that causes emacs to tell me what it
is loading anytime a library or file is loaded.  That output can be
quite handy when debugging things emacs, but it breaks an emerge.

So unless I realize this particular emerge will call emacs and move
site-start.el out of the path it will be loaded and break the emerge
becasue someone didn't have sense enough to call emacs the standard
way:  emacs -q --no-site-file WHATEVER
   
Where do I need to take this complaint?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Ebuild and emacs enough is enough

[Stroller]

On 6 Feb 2006, at 02:10, Harry Putnam wrote:

> I'm not sure where to log this complaint, its not a real bug.
>
> I've had about 6 or 7 emerges like emerge -v -u -D world break in the
> middle somewhere because emacs has been called to byte compile or
> whatever, however whoever is writing this stuff is calling emacs
> WITHOUT taking the normal precations used by savvy emacs users.
>
> That is, to call emacs with `emacs -q --no-site-file CMDS'.  This is
> starndard practice to use when calling emacs during builds.
> ...So you come back in hour and half to find its errored out in
> the middle because emacs wasn't called with simple protective flags
> ...
>
> Where do I need to take this complaint?

If a build breaks halfway through - and assuming your assertions are  
correct, I'm not qualified to judge - then it IS a REAL bug. You  
should file it at http://bugs.gentoo.org

Stroller.


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[gentoo-user] Re: Ebuild and emacs enough is enough

[Francesco Talamona]

On Monday 06 February 2006 03:10, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Where do I need to take this complaint?

Perhaps gentoodev mailing list is the right place for this topic.
I suggest to provide some real life example and pointers to manpage/URLs 
supporting your claims.

I know for sure a developer belonging to emacs herd is actively 
participating to gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org.

Ciao
	Francesco
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[gentoo-user] Re: Ebuild and emacs enough is enough

[Harry Putnam]

Francesco Talamona <ti.liame@email.it> writes:

> I know for sure a developer belonging to emacs herd is actively 
> participating to gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org.

Ok good tip.  Does this fellow have a public mail address for dev
work?

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[gentoo-user] Re: Ebuild and emacs enough is enough

[Francesco Talamona]

On Monday 06 February 2006 15:12, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Francesco Talamona <ti.liame@email.it> writes:
> > I know for sure a developer belonging to emacs herd is actively
> > participating to gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org.
>
> Ok good tip.  Does this fellow have a public mail address for dev
> work?

Yes, of course, but I omitted it intentionally, because I think the best 
thing to do is post to the list.
There you can publicly discuss the issue and find people thinking you 
are right and people against your point of view.

IMO It is definitely more useful a post than a swarm of bugs marked as 
"INVALID" in a few minutes.

For herds look here:
http://www.gentoolinux.org/proj/en/metastructure/herds/herds.xml
Good I didn't mention the dev seen on the list, because he belongs to 
"vim" one!

Ciao
	Francesco
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[gentoo-user] Re: Ebuild and emacs enough is enough

[Harry Putnam]

Francesco Talamona <ti.liame@email.it> writes:

> On Monday 06 February 2006 03:10, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> Where do I need to take this complaint?
>
> Perhaps gentoodev mailing list is the right place for this topic.
> I suggest to provide some real life example and pointers to manpage/URLs 
> supporting your claims.

Ok, I have an example from building apache2 still in my logs.  And any
long time emacs user will know what I'm talking about I'm sure.

So I'll take this there before putting something into the bug system.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Ebuild and emacs enough is enough

[Alexander Skwar]

Harry Putnam wrote:

> Where do I need to take this complaint?

Bugzilla.

Alexander Skwar
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