From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA12138CC4 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 14:08:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C8C36E0894; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 14:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jarl.yagibdah.de (unknown [185.55.75.245]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96E90E083E for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 14:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from br-dmz-ip.yagibdah.de ([192.168.1.1] helo=heimdali.yagibdah.de) by jarl.yagibdah.de with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YbrPn-0000lp-4u for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 15:08:43 +0100 Received: from lee by heimdali.yagibdah.de with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1YbrPn-0000Vj-2w for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 15:08:43 +0100 From: lee To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: blockage In-Reply-To: (James's message of "Mon, 23 Mar 2015 22:07:31 +0000 (UTC)") Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 14:44:54 +0100 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <87384pp76x.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> References: <87bnjl1zpq.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <87k2y8zz03.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <550F3299.9090500@gmail.com> <8922155.XlnV4PMUkg@wstn> <550FE3FB.4010007@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) Mail-Followup-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Archives-Salt: 12d4137e-f878-4986-8c56-1466a0c88d67 X-Archives-Hash: 90b6f4a0b4431af08c7d6f6589483680 James writes: > If we have some quick way to install, then systems could be setup, > customized, used for testing and torn down again, all in a few hours? I'd > focus on simple, minimized installs and it would give the user base a way to > duplicate systems for problem verification and resolution. +1 Gentoo is really nice, and I too would like to see a way of installing a minimal system in a faster way. Now I need to boot the live DVD and follow the manual to get a starting point, which takes a lot of time which I don't have. As to updating, it kinda turns into a PITA because you might run into dependency problems, and you just /might/ be able to solve them --- or not. I can *not* have the servers in a /maybe/ operational state, so my only choice is to *not* update them. That, of course, isn't really a choice either, and it leads to unreasonably long intervals between updates, which in turn become even more difficult because more has changed. The same is true for my machine at home, and after the last update with these dependency problems, I haven't had the time to compile the new kernel that came with it --- and I probably won't because there will be another one next time. I didn't dare to even try to update the servers at work after that, and I didn't dare to reboot at home. What do you guys do? Take the risk of having the machines down for hours due to an update? For those who might argue that I shouldn't put Gentoo on servers: ZFS is required, and Gentoo appears to be the safest and easiest distribution when you need ZFS. Even when you don't need ZFS, there's still an awful lack of alternatives nowadays. -- Again we must be afraid of speaking of daemons for fear that daemons might swallow us. Finally, this fear has become reasonable.